TEB SID remains problematic

Discussion in 'Change to my Frequency...' started by denverpilot, Jun 13, 2018.

  1. denverpilot

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    Supposedly one of the most busted SIDs in the U.S.

    But, the funny part in this notice from FAA about it is:
    "Do not drift left off course to avoid noise monitors."

    LOL LOL LOL... people figured it out... duh...

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    Teterboro Airport SID Deviations
    Notice Number: NOTC7799



    The Ruudy Six departure continues to incur both lateral, but in particular, vertical pilot deviations. Due to the proximity of Newark and other area airports it is imperative to follow the RNAV(RNP1) departure procedure to Performance Based Navigation (PBN) standards. Do not drift left off course to avoid noise monitors. Do not climb above 1500 until passing Wentz intersection. There is only 1000 feet of separation with overhead traffic at Wentz. When issued the clearance to "climb via the SID" all altitude restrictions must be complied with as depicted on the chart.

    Attached are excerpts from the Aeronautical Information Manual and the Controllers handbook explaining the Climb Via procedure. An expanded explanation is in chapter 4 and 5 of the AIM.

    Further information can be found on the Teterboro Users Group website http://teterborousersgroup.org and in KTEB Notice to Airmen (Letters to Airmen section)
     
  2. BigBadLou

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    Someone installed the monitors as a "solution" to some made-up problem.
    And this solution is creating a new problem.
    I wonder if installing more monitors to the left and right will "solve" this new problem. :)
     
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    It is and it isn’t. Most of the PDs are still altitude busts.

    The RUUDY 6 is not a difficult procedure at all, but you have to fully read and brief it beforehand. Can’t just load it up in the box and the follow the magenta line.

    One of the reasons it gets more attention that other departures, is the surrounding airspace. Just about every time someone deviates, it creates a conflict for EWR traffic.
     
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    Right, I understand the SID, I was just commenting on the intentional busts.
    Speaking of which, would an LCD with a vertical profile and airplane symbol on it (like lateral nav displays) help with altitude awareness and reduce altitude busts on SIDs and STARs?
    Let's drift this thread Tokyo style. ;)
     
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    I think Jeppesen has that on their ‘to-do’ list. Right after updating their hold music that hasn’t changed in over 10 years...
     
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    LOL

    Hmm, how about all those aviation apps? They could do it faster and are much more flexible.
    If they can't, I might jump on it relatively soon.
     
  7. midwestpa24

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    Compromising safety for the sake of noise...