TBM down near Atlanta

Despite popular belief, PT-6s are not bulletproof.

There's a reason why there are no single engine Part 25 aircraft.

Glad they survived the crash. Looks like they did a decent job - dead sticking a TBM wouldn't strike me as a particularly fun event.
 
Doesn't Pilatus claim there's only been one PC12 engine out emergency resulting in an off-field landing? (I think it was in the ocean off of Russia)

Yes, PT6's are not bulletproof. Probably better than a piston, however.
 
They had just passed to the East of ATL. Too bad they did not make it into there.
 
dans2992 said:
Doesn't Pilatus claim there's only been one PC12 engine out emergency resulting in an off-field landing? (I think it was in the ocean off of Russia)

Yes, PT6's are not bulletproof. Probably better than a piston, however.
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Question becomes is a single turbine better than two recips? I think it's statistically a close run.
 
From the track I'd guess the pilot was trying to make Falcon field (FFC) but just couldn't get there. Glad to read both aboard survived.
 
dans2992 said:
Doesn't Pilatus claim there's only been one PC12 engine out emergency resulting in an off-field landing? (I think it was in the ocean off of Russia)

Yes, PT6's are not bulletproof. Probably better than a piston, however.
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I'd agree that a turbine is better than a piston for reliability on average, also dispatchability. I don't know what the advertised failure rate on PC-12s is, but Wayne would also bring up the PC-12 that lost an engine over the Gulf and the owner went and bought a King Air.

Henning said:
Question becomes is a single turbine better than two recips? I think it's statistically a close run.
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It depends on the twin and the mission. The 310 I fly over the Rockies? I'd take a turbine single any day. 421 or Navajo flown at gross in the summer? Egh, turbine single still starts to sound good.

The 310 I fly (higher power engines) at the weights I fly it (almost always a few hundred under gross) and where I fly it (almost never west of Denver)? Yeah, has some benefits.

Of course, a TBM is 50% faster than a 421 or a RAM VII 340, and a PC-12 is a bit faster than both with a significantly bigger cabin. So, there aren't really good comparisons. Maybe a Silver Eagle P210 vs a 310/340.

If I had the money for a TBM, I'd buy a Conquest 441.
 
Like the reliability of the pc12, now if I good get someone to finance one for life.
 
I'm going to admit my ignorance. The article said a witness smelled jet fuel. Does a TBM use jet fuel, or Avgas?
 
JOhnH said:
I'm going to admit my ignorance. The article said a witness smelled jet fuel. Does a TBM use jet fuel, or Avgas?
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TBM is powered by a PT-6 turboprop, which uses jet fuel.
 
Word is that the pilot and his wife walked away from the accident. On the way to the hospital, he suffered a heart attack. No word on whether or not he made it through that.
 
dwalt said:
Word is that the pilot and his wife walked away from the accident. On the way to the hospital, he suffered a heart attack. No word on whether or not he made it through that.
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I'll bet the adrenaline wore off and his heart couldn't take it. If he did die, would this now be a fatal accident?
 
Unit74 said:
I'll bet the adrenaline wore off and his heart couldn't take it. If he did die, would this now be a fatal accident?
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That is an interesting question, we'll see when the NTSB report comes out. My odds bet would be 7:3 that it isn't.
 
If the harmful event was the crash, I'd think the subsequent heart attack would trigger the fatality.

In the same sense that if someone pushes you over on the street and you break a hip, then later die from it, it goes from an assault to 2nd degree murder. Prima facia its not deadly incident. Rather, the complications from the event are deadly and the nexus is established. Hence, the crash would end up as a fatality.

I believe they tried to do this when Brady died. Because his death was a complication from the bullet he took for Regan, they refiled the case against the shooter as murder decades later. I doubt it will have traction, but they still did so.
 
Unit74 said:
I'll bet the adrenaline wore off and his heart couldn't take it. If he did die, would this now be a fatal accident?
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From the NTSB:

"Fatal injury" means any injury that results in death within thirty (30) days of the accident.
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Not sure how they link things though...
 
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