Talking someone down

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TangoWhiskey

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So, we often hear about ATC talking someone down after the pilot dies, or some such situation. I just finished editing an hour and half of compelling audio from May 2nd, 1:00am - 2:30am local time out of North Las Vegas (KVGT), where another pilot talks down a suicidal pilot.

Warning, this is a raw glimpse into somebody's deepest secrets, but broadcast live and captured on LiveATC.net.

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Neither here nor there but wonder why both sides refer to him as "former student pilot"
 
That was something else. Very touching that Tony stayed with him the entire time.
 
Wow. I caugh the first 5 mimutes. Will have to find time later to catch the rest. Any idea on how long it goes?
 
So let me understand, the guy admits to being a petifile, when any other case people would call for his balls to be cut off. And now good job tony and what a good friend. Screw him, let him fly himself into the ground.
 
Okay, now I've listened to the whole thing.
1. Tony is a hero.
2. I admit to some extra emotional involvement in the situation, because it took place in Las Vegas. Twenty-four years ago, my brother, who lived and worked in Las Vegas, took his own life after he was found to have to have committed felonies related to his gambling addiction. He left behind a wife and a school-age son just about the same age as my own son.
3. I wish he would have had someone like Tony to talk to that afternoon.
 
Tony is a hero. I hope the other guy gets the help and rehabilitation he needs.
 
Tony prevented the destruction of a perfectly good late model Seminole and risk to innocents on the ground. Well done tony.
 
This guy might be remorseful but he isn't taking responsibility for what he did. Instead he blames society. Society didn't make him do it. He chose to follow that impulse. He needs to own that if he wants any shot at rehabilitation.
 
ahkahn said:
Tony is a hero. I hope the other guy gets the help and rehabilitation he needs.
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Rehabilitation, this guy will be wearing a wig and be someone's punk in prison. Very little rehabilitation in prison. Even less for socks POS like him. He admits he has been this way since he was 13. There is a good chance he has done things already.
 
TommyG said:
Rehabilitation, this guy will be wearing a wig and be someone's punk in prison. Very little rehabilitation in prison. Even less for socks POS like him. He admits he has been this way since he was 13. There is a good chance he has done things already.
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My understanding is this is one of those things that is difficult if not nearly impossible to rehabilitate. If I were the father, I would gladly have one less Siminole in the fleet.

Good on Tony but hard not to think about the victims.
There is nothing heartwarming about this.
 
Disclosure. I'm a cop.

That being said, this guy is admitting to several felonies on the air. Tony, whoever he is, keeps a cool head, free of any bias in talking this guy down.

Kudos Tony, whoever you are.
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
My understanding is this is one of those things that is difficult if not nearly impossible to rehabilitate. If I were the father, I would gladly have one less Siminole in the fleet.

Good on Tony but hard not to think about the victims.
There is nothing heartwarming about this.
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Granted I'm not a father, so my words are worthless, but I would guess my thoughts would be that I'd rather the guy, if guilty, rot in prison than destroy a perfectly good airplane and risk those on the ground.
 
jesse said:
Granted I'm not a father, so my words are worthless, but I would guess my thoughts would be that I'd rather the guy, if guilty, rot in prison than destroy a perfectly good airplane and risk those on the ground.
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Yes. Regardless if the dude's sins, it could have turned out a lot worse.

It is easy to say forget the airplane and let the insurance company deal with it, but it doesn't always work out that way.
 
I wish Tony's transmission had been as clear as the other guy. Hawever I know trained hostage negotiators that aren't that good. Good job Tony
 
Dennis McKim said:
Okay, now I've listened to the whole thing.
1. Tony is a hero.
2. I admit to some extra emotional involvement in the situation, because it took place in Las Vegas. Twenty-four years ago, my brother, who lived and worked in Las Vegas, took his own life after he was found to have to have committed felonies related to his gambling addiction. He left behind a wife and a school-age son just about the same age as my own son.
3. I wish he would have had someone like Tony to talk to that afternoon.
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I'm sorry for your loss...and for those that he left behind.
 
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