Student pilot solo- carrying stuff?

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I started thinking about this a week ago... had a new(to me) puppy in the house who I didn't like leaving alone in his crate all day while I went flying. I was tempted, very tempted to load him up and take him along but decided against it.

I also wasn't sure if I legally could- the short answer for student pilot limitations I have is "no passengers or cargo". But I took a look at the relevant FAR and it doesn't actually say that exactly...

(a) A student pilot may not act as pilot in command of an aircraft:
(1) That is carrying a passenger;

(2) That is carrying property for compensation or hire;

(3) For compensation or hire;

(4) In furtherance of a business;


(5) On an international flight, except that a student pilot may make solo training flights from Haines, Gustavus, or Juneau, Alaska, to White Horse, Yukon, Canada, and return over the province of British Columbia;

(6) With a flight or surface visibility of less than 3 statute miles during daylight hours or 5 statute miles at night;

(7) When the flight cannot be made with visual reference to the surface; or

(8) In a manner contrary to any limitations placed in the pilot's logbook by an authorized instructor.

So from that, it sounds like I could pack an airplane up with all the stuff it could carry and be completely legal as long as it's not for hire or in furtherance of a business? I don't really have a reason to, maybe beyond packing a lunch or something in case there's no ground transport when I take my check ride. But still, interesting to note this.

So I guess I could have taken along my puppy unless you consider him a passenger which I doubt the FAA does.
 
Not a CFI:

Your own puppy doesn't count as passenger or cargo unless, maybe, you run a puppy mill and are transporting it for sale. Humans will count as passengers. Your flight bag, lunch, or backpack doesn't count as cargo. For cargo, don't let anybody talk you into, "Hey, as long as you're headed over to XYZ, would you mind dropping these parts off when you get there?"

But - to cut down on in-flight distractions, bringing along your puppy might not be the best thing to do on a student solo flight.

edit: This was pretty much word for word what my CFI told me when I started my solos.
 
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If you haven't flight-checked your puppy already, make sure the puppy is crated for the flight. That said, my then-fiancée (now wife) took her dog Trapper on solo XC's, but we'd flown together with him before that on a dual XC to make sure he was OK in the back of a Cessna 150. Beyond that...

My wife and I have flown with ten different dogs of our own over the last 35 years. We find that a dog does in a plane exactly what it does in a car. If that includes barfing, be ready (or don't try it). If that includes barking continuously, be ready for that, too (including some comments from ATC if they hear a dog in the background). If that including racing around the vehicle like a maniac, put the dog in a travel container. If that includes hanging his head out the window and barking, either keep the window/canopy shut or be ready for stares and pointing while you taxi.

We've seen no indication that the noise bothers them, but I suppose that if you flew a lot with them, they could sustain the same type of hearing problems that pilots do without ear protection. I've heard of some folks putting cotton in their dog's ears -- personally, I'd hate to try it on ours (remember the last time you had to give your dog medicine?), and anyway, I think they'd dig it out as fast as they could. I've also seen the "Mutt Muffs" on the internet, but the dog wearing them in the picture looked ready to rip the arm off the person who put those things on his head.

Tranquilizers have never seemed necessary for our beasts, but I'd say that if their behavior in the car is such that you couldn't stand it in the plane, you'd best trank them. But experiment with this - you'd be amazed how those things affect a dog, and how long it takes to a) take effect, and b) wear off. When we shipped two dogs on TWA from England to the U.S., the airline required them to be crated and tranquilized. The vet gave us pills, and suggested half a pill for each dog (and these were both retrievers – not small dogs) a couple of hours before flight. We gave the dogs the pills, and there was no immediate effect. About an hour later, the dogs, well, melted. They just slowly sank into a heap and z'd out. We got to the airport and tried to give them one last walk to drain the sumps before flight. They walked up to this fire plug outside the terminal that had obviously been used by many other dogs for the same purpose, and sniffed it intently. Then they tried to make their final salute to the British Empire – and were unable to get a leg up without collapsing. The poor beasts just stood there, looking sadly at the fire hydrant, and then at us, as if to say, "I really want to, but I just can't do it." It then took two of us to stuff the virtually limp dogs into their crates.

As far as crates/restraints, again – judge by car experience. If the dog moves around too much to stand in a plane, you’d best either crate or restrain them. There are a number of restraints available for automotive use, and they should work fine in the plane, although our Black Lab would immediately set to chewing through such restraints – she was either loose or crated to the day she died. The other point is that an unsecured dog can become a missile hazard. We were cruising along in IMC over BDR with our Chocolate Lab Chewbacca. He was curled up in the back, sound asleep (as he normally did in cruise flight). We hit a downdraft and dropped about 50 feet. I looked back as we dropped, and saw a) daylight between the dog and the floor, b) two big yellow eyes the size of dinner plates, and c) four legs splayed out trying to find something on which to hold. Shortly after the airplane stopped descending, the dog caught up with a thump. Chewie spent the rest of the flight wide awake, trying desperately to dig in and hang on to the floor.

Cats are a whole ‘nother story. The worst one I heard was a guy ferrying his wife’s cat from NY to Florida in a Bonanza. Somewhere over North Carolina the uncontained cat got spooked and went crazy, tearing all over the cabin, clawing/scratching/biting him. By the time he got on the ground (after declaring an emergency), there was blood everywhere – all his. No way any live cat gets in my plane other than in one of those cat boxes.

As for the pressure changes, yes, I have noticed one effect. Some years back, we had Chewie in the back of the Cheetah as we climbed up to about 11,000 feet or so from sea level (summer day, looking for smooth air). We forgot how much methane gas is trapped in the digestive tract of a Labrador, and that the gas expands in volume as outside air pressure decreases, while the dog's gut is limited in size. Passing about 5000 he began to whimper and look uncomfortable. Passing about 8000 feet the smell hit us (gas only -- no solid waste). We turned around and he settling down, looking very satisfied. Fortunately, a Cheetah has a canopy that can be opened in flight, providing the necessary ventilation for us to survive.

Duke, a Golden Retriever, was my principal pooch passenger for several years in the Cougar. He thoroughly enjoyed going ANYwhere, and was a delight in the plane. When we arrived at the airport, he hopped up on the wing, and went right into the back seat where he sat up watching the world out the window until takeoff, and then sprawled across the back seats, snoozing until he felt the wheels go down. Then it was back up to that beautiful Golden Retriever sitting position for landing, watching out the window until we stopped, then out the door and down to see what there was new at this airport that he hadn’t seen before. But when we went back to the airplane, it was hippity-up onto the wing, and he was ready to fly again.

Of late, we have begun flying rescued Aussies for the Aussie Rescue Placement and Helpline (ARPH), making us the charter members of ARPHAir, of which Bill Greenburg was the second pilot, and others have now joined the effort. In that situation, not knowing the dogs, we mount a crate in the back of the plane (Grumman 4-seaters have flop-down rear seats) and that's where they go. After an hour or so in cruise, if the dog is relaxed, we may open the gate for a bit of reassuring petting, but if any doubts arise, the dog stays locked up. We had one who oozed his way into the front seat, and then wanted to sit in my lap while I was flying -- not cool. He got stuffed back in the crate and left there for the rest of the flight, during which he stared long and hard at the latch, trying to figure out how to open it. As far as sedation, I know that the effects of sedatives are increased with altitude, and without knowing for sure the effect on any given dog or the altitude at which we'll fly, we do not sedate them. We give specific instructions to that effect to the sending ARPH volunteer, and will not accept the dog if sedated (don't want a bad reaction at 7000 feet). We put the dog in the crate before engine start, and then see what happens when we crank. If the dog really freaked, that would be the end of the flight right there, but so far, there hasn't been a significant reaction.

Ron Levy
 
I'd be uncomfortable with any unrestrained animal in the cabin at this point. Aside from distraction potential(which is pretty huge) I'm worried about a puppy who likes to chew and expensive airplane interior parts.

A week ago, the new pup was being crate trained and was pitching a fit when you put him in. He does much better now but that means I'm OK with leaving him at home for several hours while I go do other things. This pup is a german shorthaired pointer and has already been desensitized to loud noise so he can be a gun dog. I have been working on a car in the garage with him around for the past couple of days... he wasn't afraid of the sound of a muffler-less v8 being reved up so I imagine he'll be ok with an airplane noise. Right now his biggest issue is he really doesn't like to be confined... crates, tie-outs, being held in someone's lap... he throws a fit as soon as he's tired of it. Lately he's been sleeping after a couple minutes of initial whining though so I think the crate training is working.

I am wondering though what sort of crate we can fit into a Piper Archer that will handle him as an adult... they can be up to 80lbs. It would have to be collapsable or something, nothing I know of big enough for him would fit through the cargo door.
 
You're quite correct about the distraction potential.

As a student pilot, that's the last thing you need, legal or not.

A crate could (in principle) be loaded empty over the back seat. The dog could enter through the cargo door. But that's a BIG dog. I'll suggest it's not terribly practical.
 
I started thinking about this a week ago... had a new(to me) puppy in the house who I didn't like leaving alone in his crate all day while I went flying. I was tempted, very tempted to load him up and take him along but decided against it.

I also wasn't sure if I legally could- the short answer for student pilot limitations I have is "no passengers or cargo". But I took a look at the relevant FAR and it doesn't actually say that exactly...



So from that, it sounds like I could pack an airplane up with all the stuff it could carry and be completely legal as long as it's not for hire or in furtherance of a business? I don't really have a reason to, maybe beyond packing a lunch or something in case there's no ground transport when I take my check ride. But still, interesting to note this.

So I guess I could have taken along my puppy unless you consider him a passenger which I doubt the FAA does.

You made the right choice. The puppy isn't a passenger but I wouldn't want one of my students taking a pet on a solo flight. Too much potential distraction...even if he is well behaved in the plane.
 
I'd be uncomfortable with any unrestrained animal in the cabin at this point. Aside from distraction potential(which is pretty huge) I'm worried about a puppy who likes to chew and expensive airplane interior parts.
I agree that taking a puppy along on a solo flight for its first flight experience would be unwise. As I said above, you have to first observe the dog's behavior in a car, then flight-test the dog in a crate, then out of the crate with a handler.
I am wondering though what sort of crate we can fit into a Piper Archer that will handle him as an adult... they can be up to 80lbs. It would have to be collapsable or something, nothing I know of big enough for him would fit through the cargo door.
That sounds like something of a challenge. However, one option is one of those harnesses used to restrain dogs in cars.
http://www.petsmart.com/dog/safety-harnesses/cat-36-catid-100140
You could harness the dog in the back seat.
pPETNA-5155168_main_r200.jpg

Might not prevent the dog from chewing the upholstery or leaving a deposit, but at least it would keep you from having an 80-lb dog hopping into your lap on short final.
 
A crate could (in principle) be loaded empty over the back seat. The dog could enter through the cargo door.
My experience with lab-sized dog crates is they won't fit through the door of an Archer (even the collapsible ones). The sliding canopy of my Tiger is a big advantage for that sort of thing.
 
One of the great disappointments I have with my current dog is that he is such a spaz that I don't feel safe taking him flying with me. From when he was a little puppy, he has been completely spastic in the car. With training, I can now get him to lie down in the back seat, for the most part. But I would never chance it in the plane, and he is too big to put a crate large enough for him to fit in in the back of my plane.

Given my experience with my own dog, there is no way that I would ever do a Pilots and Paws flight without the dog being crated.
 
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