Slowly but surely... 1st solo into a Delta

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  1. 1000RR

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    So it's been a long process, this dream of getting my PPL. I won't bore you with the details, but Covid didn't help nor did it when the plane went down for maintenance and ended up being down for months, nor did it when I switched over to a 172 from a piper mid-stream (due to the maintenance I just mentioned). All good though, and I'll be a better pilot for it all.

    Anyway, I solo'd a few months back. My home airport is a non-towered airport so flying around there is my norm (radio communication but less formality then a B/C/D obviously). My CFI and I had flown into Deltas and through Bravos previously but with him on the radios. So yesterday I decided to do a little solo'ing and go to our nearest Delta for a quick landing (full stop) and come back home (so I could be thrown into the fire on the radios - figured it was the only way to get through it - haha). I'm sure it was pretty apparent my radios were still coming up to snuff, but I got through it (give myself a C+), made the landing, and came back home. I did get thrown a little curve ball while taxiing at the Delta. I landed 27L which was 10,000' and had requested a landing, full stop, taxi back. In my mind I visualized the process as - I would exit the runway by making a left, make another left, and come back to the numbers/threshold. He told me (once I had taken a left and was off the runway) to take a right on Alpha followed by another right on Victor. My brain was fighting internally on this with my visualization vs the directions I just received... I proceeded and damn near made a left and stopped for a moment and took a right (after all - he said right) but then I was concerned (and internally questioning myself) with the next right as obviously that'd put me back at the runway. And Victor went both left and right at this point. So I paused and requested them to repeat the 2nd taxi turn. And he came back with - right on Victor, hold short for departure on 27L, you'll have over 6,000' of runway available. All makes sense for sure and was obvious once he said it. But I was so use to flying our normal 4000' runways and always taxiing back to the threshold (hence the internal conflicts haha).

    Great experience and very happy I ventured outside my comfort zone. First time with the radios all to myself at a Delta without my righthand man (CFI) to jump in if needed. To the vast of experienced pilots, this is small I know... but we all have to grow and it was a great day, proud accomplishment.

    -Fly Often, Fly Safe!
     
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  2. eman1200

    eman1200 Touchdown! Greaser!

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    Congrats! What’s the airport ID?
     
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    Home airport is X59 (Valkaria) and the Delta was KMLB (Melbourne International).
     
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    eman1200 Touchdown! Greaser!

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    I don’t see how you could have landed 27L then made any rights to get back to 27L
     
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    Hopefully I didn't confuse the visual... your questioning is what I was fighting internally. Basically, he wanted me to exit left off 27L and then make an immediate right (now parallelling the runway) and then make another right and hold short (of 27L). Then he gave me clearance to depart 27L from that point/taxiway. So basically I took off 27L and my roll started from about the 1/2 way point of 27L. Runway was 10,000'. So I really never taxi'd "back". I taxi'd forward LOL. Hopefully that made more sense.
     
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    Intersection takeoff. You could have said unable, if you wanted full length. I can understand why you wouldn’t, but in the future, you can decide for yourself if 60% of a 10k ft runway is safe enough. I’ve done it too, including full stop and go’s. Just depends. With weather or passengers or familiarity or safety of emergency options, sometimes I’ve requested full length. It will cause delays but may be a worthwhile risk vs reward.

    Congrats on the first towered solo!!! That’s a big deal if you’re learning mostly non-towered!

    Added: you did right to ask for clarification, excellent work. Don’t ever lose that lesson.
     
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    I can't remember ever accepting an intersection departure. I may have done it a few times, but runway behind you is useless. A couple friends were taking off out of Reno in a Cherokee-6 and the engine quit at 300'. They survived, but totaled the plane. Another couple thousand feet of runway would have been useful. They used the full length, but it just shows that anything can happen.
     
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    Thanks @455 Bravo Uniform Going in, I knew he put me on the larger of the paralleling runways (27L is 10k, and 27R is 6k) and I landed just after the numbers (so plenty left). So once he clarified, I was more than Ok with it, but I do need to keep in mind what you said and whenever in doubt, say unable.

    A couple lessons I learned is the importance of 1) the checklists we use for everything... and 2) I need to do a better job (and this will come with time) of making sure not to feel rushed with the whole taxiing/etc. at towered airports. My nerves were amped up a bit and that led to feeling rushed and when I exited the runway I didn't "clean up" and confirm with my checklist (fail!!). So then I taxi'd to hold short for departure and did run my [before takeoff] checklist and looked down and was like "oh ****", clean up the flaps.
     
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    Gotcha. Exit the runway at charlie, right on alpha, right on victor, depart 27L at victor. No big deal, except for the crowd who don’t like only using 6000’ of runway.
     
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    Applause all around! You stopped and asked for clarification. Great choice. It never hurts to let the controller know who you are. As in, I'm new here, Unfamiliar with this airport or I'm a student pilot (we are all students). When the controller knows what to expect from you, they can be a great help. It also helps them. Communication is key. when it doubt, ask. And you did
     
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    Good job doing the checklist. Not of course the after landing one you didn’t;). But this really illustrates the importance of doing them. Every once in awhile a thread starts up here about ‘do you do the full checklist if you just landed and taxied back for departure.’
     
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    I was taught the same way.

    But at the larger airports with long runways and a lot of heavy metal traffic (pre-COVID) the good controllers will try to keep light aircraft separated from the big jets. Very common to be routed to an intersection down the runway from the threshold so they don't have you trapped in a line of kerosene burners, and can get you out ahead and minimize the wake turbulence delays.
     
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    Hope that's a a Honda 1000rr. Those things are beasts. Wicked fast. Give my airplane a run for its money. Everything is new the first time. Keep up the good work. And be careful on the scooter.
     
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    Great point on the wake turbulence.

    And @steingar, use to have a CBR1000RR, but the 1000RR refers to an S1000RR (BMW) I use to have as well. Use to roadrace a bit... grabbed a #1 plate club racing as an older one on the grid and dabbled a weekend in Pro, qualifying... just to see if the ole man could do it. Great times.
     
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    Congrats on your solo flight, and welcome to the world of radios!

    I still track a GSX-R 1000, and enjoy being the "fast, old guy" at the track.
     
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    Absolutely. It won't happen next time (forgetting the after landing checklist/cleanup). At our home nontowered airport, I cleanup and do my checklist every landing. So I'm sure it was the anxiety/nerves being at a Delta and working radios. Good lesson learned how stress plays into everything... just gotta stick to the game plan.
     
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    6000 feet of runway left is plenty.
     
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