Saw my first...

Your not going to go there again,I hope.
 
Only the ones who don't have the skills to fly the tail wheel version. :)

Actually don't have a TW endorsement myself and my RV-8 bud used to give me crap over it. The whole "real men fly tail draggers" nonsense.

Unless we're talking warbirds, I actually prefer the looks of a trike better. My tiny Glasair looks so much better standing tall as a trike over the TD version. Same goes for the RV-8A.
 
Zoom climb and rv go together like gin and tonic
 
Velocity173 said:
Only the ones who don't have the skills to fly the tail wheel version. :)

Actually don't have a TW endorsement myself and my RV-8 bud used to give me crap over it. The whole "real men fly tail draggers" nonsense.

Unless we're talking warbirds, I actually prefer the looks of a trike better. My tiny Glasair looks so much better standing tall as a trike over the TD version. Same goes for the RV-8A.
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Get your TW endorsement. You won't regret it.
 
N659HB said:
Get your TW endorsement. You won't regret it.
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Well I've thought about it. I was in the market early on for an RV-4 before I bought the Glasair. Now, I'm just not sure I'd ever utilize the endorsement.
 
I like doing zoom climbs in the winter as it gets me to pattern altitude before the end of the runway, plus there fun.
 
ARFlyer said:
I like doing zoom climbs in the winter as it gets me to pattern altitude before the end of the runway, plus there fun.
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You aren't doing them right. You stay in/near ground effect until you hit the numbers at the far end then rotate. Kids these days.
 
To be clear, getting a TW endorsement doesn't count as a BFR, but you can do both at the same time. Not saying that's what you meant, but that was a huge misunderstanding for years. It's an endorsement, not a rating, so it doesn't replace a BFR.

N659HB said:
Plan on doing it around the time of your BFR and kill two birds with one stone.
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Sometimes they're just plain fun... even in a Skyhawk ;)
 
Lowflynjack said:
To be clear, getting a TW endorsement doesn't count as a BFR, but you can do both at the same time. Not saying that's what you meant, but that was a huge misunderstanding for years. It's an endorsement, not a rating, so it doesn't replace a BFR.
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Yes. I meant do both at the same time.
 
luvflyin said:
What the hell is a "zoom climb"
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That's a maneuver that involves lifting off, holding the airplane low and letting speed build, then pulling the nose way up and zooming up, trading speed for altitude.

The problem with it is that too many guys don't know what happens to stall speed when they load up the wing in the pull-up. Every so often someone pulls a little too hard, stalls and snap-rolls into the ground before he knows what hit him.
 
Dan Thomas said:
That's a maneuver that involves lifting off, holding the airplane low and letting speed build, then pulling the nose way up and zooming up, trading speed for altitude.

The problem with it is that too many guys don't know what happens to stall speed when they load up the wing in the pull-up. Every so often someone pulls a little too hard, stalls and snap-rolls into the ground before he knows what hit him.
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When I zoom zoom, I have my t/o trim set for somewhere in the area of Vy to Vx and have to keep quite a bit of forward pressure on the yoke to remain level. Then let the back pressure off the yoke, and let the plane do it's thing. I might hit around 2 G on the initial climb out at most, and after the initial AoA change and AoA recovers I pitch for Vx
 
BigBadLou said:
Yeah right. I don't think a zoom climb ends at 200' AGL. :D :D :D
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I've done better than that with 5k' available to me ;) It was no longer a 'zoom' about 100' shy of pattern, though haha. But the entry was ~120kts.
 
Once watched a guy in an F-16 do a zoom. He lit the torch, and at 10,000 was still going straight up.
 
Zoom climb is the only way I can pretend to climb out at 1500 fpm in the c150.
 
My zoom climb is on a thousand foot strip with a crosswind and tall trees 1100' away. Get airborne and hold it level in ground effect for as long as I can to gain speed to climb through the wind rotors tumbling over the trees.

My favorite spectator zoom climbs are at Reno. Those racers can convert speed to altitude more elegantly than anything I've seen.
 
wsuffa said:
What about the overhead break?
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One of the local airports does a lot of AF doctor training where they get basic upset training and some formation work in the SR-22. They all enter the pattern via overhead.

They're a pain to work with, monopolize the airport, are arrogant as ---, and have no concept of working around conflicting traffic. Most of the CFIs are air force wannabes who run around in flight suits, aviator glasses and swagger.

I get it for jets and high perf warbirds though...
 
Dan Thomas said:
That's a maneuver that involves lifting off, holding the airplane low and letting speed build, then pulling the nose way up and zooming up, trading speed for altitude.

The problem with it is that too many guys don't know what happens to stall speed when they load up the wing in the pull-up. Every so often someone pulls a little too hard, stalls and snap-rolls into the ground before he knows what hit him.
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Two more problems...

2.. Most pilots don't understand the physiology of what one senses when doing the low G-push over at the top. Short version is it is easy if not even likely to not push over enough and stall/spin from the top.

3.. even if you are fully capable of doing it safetly, you may encourage someone you isn't capable of it to try it.

A couple years ago I met a very nice guy who had just purchased a new airplane. After watching a couple other pilots in a similar design do zoom climbs he tried one on his 3rd or 4th flight in the airplane, he stalled and spun in, fatal.

Brian
 
Velocity173 said:
Only the ones who don't have the skills to fly the tail wheel version. :)

Actually don't have a TW endorsement myself and my RV-8 bud used to give me crap over it. The whole "real men fly tail draggers" nonsense.

Unless we're talking warbirds, I actually prefer the looks of a trike better. My tiny Glasair looks so much better standing tall as a trike over the TD version. Same goes for the RV-8A.
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I beg to differ, sir! :)
 
EdFred said:
When I zoom zoom, I have my t/o trim set for somewhere in the area of Vy to Vx and have to keep quite a bit of forward pressure on the yoke to remain level. Then let the back pressure off the yoke, and let the plane do it's thing. I might hit around 2 G on the initial climb out at most, and after the initial AoA change and AoA recovers I pitch for Vx
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AT 2G the stall speed is 1.41 times the 1G Vs. Which means that an airplane that stalls at 55 MPH, say, will stall at 77.5 MPH at 2G. AT 3G it goes to 95 MPH. That's why guys die doing this.
 
Dan Thomas said:
AT 2G the stall speed is 1.41 times the 1G Vs. Which means that an airplane that stalls at 55 MPH, say, will stall at 77.5 MPH at 2G. AT 3G it goes to 95 MPH. That's why guys die doing this.
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And I'm nowhere near that. Having done accelerated stalls in the past I know what it feels like, and I am not even remotely close to stalling.
 
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