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Barrett50

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Being a long time Bo owner/operator/maintainer, I know people who know people. It might be a long shot, but here goes. I've been made aware of TWO E-series C35 and D35 that are in need of full restoration or at a minimum a lot of catch up maint. One of them has sat on the ramp in the PNW for 22 years(way inland, desert area no where near the coast). The engine was pickled in 2004 and is not seized. The interior is rough, it has a dual yoke($$$$), and some nice upgrades. It also has some corrosion on the ruddervators so those are a complete do-over($4500-6000 pair). Second plane has been in and out of a hangar, on the ramp, and under a covered tie down for 18 years. It's not as bad, but still will need a few months of Bo specialist A&P work.

The E-series Bo's are a labor of love. From 1948-1956, Beech made a ton of airframes. They are some of the best of the best as they used heavy carrythrough center sections, the same as the Beech Mentor. They are light, and with the 225 engine and 84 or 88" prop are remarkably fast for the age. The market supports those airframes that have been lovingly cared for and have been upgraded with Cleveland brakes, extended wing tips or tip tanks, single piece windscreen, third window, and a plethora of other useful options.

I would love to take these on, but I'm not an A&P, and although my IA would let me do the majority of the wrenching the sad fact is, with the new rules, any A&P has to literally watch over my shoulder each time I turn the screwdriver, or ratchet. Oversight of owner/op maintenance beyond that which is allowed by regs needs direct supervision, so the A&P might as well be in there doing it anyway, and not watching a goober owner.

The big question is - what's the cost? Well, I'll tell you. I can get both planes for under $30k. A breaker yard would pay around $18-22k each, but they will then charge the owner at least $3000 to de-mate, and carry away the carcasses. So - there is an opportunity there if an enterprising Bo lover wanted to get his/her hands dirty, and come away with a fantastic vintage go-fast plane. Yes - I already know the cost of this and that. You can blather about it if you like, and I won't disagree. But sweat equity does exist. I've seen early Bo's in good cond going for $60-90k. A cheap one is $45k depending on avionics.

Anyone want a job? For real? Or take on a few year commitment? I can get wing wrenches, and I have a 30' trailer that will haul them. I also have access to any kind of truss and crane needed to load em up and move em out. git-er-done........
 
Long time V tail owner here. Started with a G model and now a V35A.

The early “short body” v tails are a joy to fly. I hope someone can bring these 2 back to flying. Solid cross country machines.

The 225 is well known with good parts availability. Are the props hydraulic or electric?

Just a Nit - your rudervator cost is more like 10-12k for the pair. There are now new ones available too! Just something to factor into the cost. Plus if they are rotted, you'll obviously want to check the ailerons which are also magnesium.
 
One has a Hartzell prop, the other I don't know yet, but suspect it's also a Hartzell with the onerous AD on blade yoke inspection. I can assist in having that AD complied with as I have a very good prop shop near me with a long history of the Bo splined prop hub and blades.

My history is: model 35 from 1949 with fabric control surfaces, B35, another B35, A35, G35 and now a D35 with 225 engine(hopped up a bit) and Beech/Roby 88" electric prop. I can stand it on end at see 2400FPM with two up and full tanks on takeoff.
 
Can you post the listing(s)? IA here looking to potentially upgrade from a Cherokee 140.
 
Being a long time Bo owner/operator/maintainer, I know people who know people. It might be a long shot, but here goes. I've been made aware of TWO E-series C35 and D35 that are in need of full restoration or at a minimum a lot of catch up maint. One of them has sat on the ramp in the PNW for 22 years(way inland, desert area no where near the coast). The engine was pickled in 2004 and is not seized. The interior is rough, it has a dual yoke($$$$), and some nice upgrades. It also has some corrosion on the ruddervators so those are a complete do-over($4500-6000 pair). Second plane has been in and out of a hangar, on the ramp, and under a covered tie down for 18 years. It's not as bad, but still will need a few months of Bo specialist A&P work.

The E-series Bo's are a labor of love. From 1948-1956, Beech made a ton of airframes. They are some of the best of the best as they used heavy carrythrough center sections, the same as the Beech Mentor. They are light, and with the 225 engine and 84 or 88" prop are remarkably fast for the age. The market supports those airframes that have been lovingly cared for and have been upgraded with Cleveland brakes, extended wing tips or tip tanks, single piece windscreen, third window, and a plethora of other useful options.

I would love to take these on, but I'm not an A&P, and although my IA would let me do the majority of the wrenching the sad fact is, with the new rules, any A&P has to literally watch over my shoulder each time I turn the screwdriver, or ratchet. Oversight of owner/op maintenance beyond that which is allowed by regs needs direct supervision, so the A&P might as well be in there doing it anyway, and not watching a goober owner.

The big question is - what's the cost? Well, I'll tell you. I can get both planes for under $30k. A breaker yard would pay around $18-22k each, but they will then charge the owner at least $3000 to de-mate, and carry away the carcasses. So - there is an opportunity there if an enterprising Bo lover wanted to get his/her hands dirty, and come away with a fantastic vintage go-fast plane. Yes - I already know the cost of this and that. You can blather about it if you like, and I won't disagree. But sweat equity does exist. I've seen early Bo's in good cond going for $60-90k. A cheap one is $45k depending on avionics.

Anyone want a job? For real? Or take on a few year commitment? I can get wing wrenches, and I have a 30' trailer that will haul them. I also have access to any kind of truss and crane needed to load em up and move em out. git-er-done........
But there is a Doctor shortage.:devil:

 
I'm glad for the huge negative publicity over the V tail. Since the late 90's, pretty much every V tail has the compliance AD for the ruddervator cuffs, and since then, along with some pilot training the V tails have had a better safety record than the Cessna 210 and Piper Lance. And, the V tail out performs them both. It makes for lower prices, on a fantastic plane that most pilot will avoid due to bad press since the mid-80s. Look at us, it's 40 years later and we're still spreading the oldest of wives tales.

There's people that know, and then there's people who listen to the 'experts'(who've never owned much less flown a V tail). Still looking for someone who wants to help save two planes and keep them in the air.
 
There's people that know, and then there's people who listen to the 'experts'(who've never owned much less flown a V tail). Still looking for someone who wants to help save two planes and keep them in the air.

Then put the information up so people can look into it.
 
One has a Hartzell prop, the other I don't know yet, but suspect it's also a Hartzell with the onerous AD on blade yoke inspection. I can assist in having that AD complied with as I have a very good prop shop near me with a long history of the Bo splined prop hub and blades.

My history is: model 35 from 1949 with fabric control surfaces, B35, another B35, A35, G35 and now a D35 with 225 engine(hopped up a bit) and Beech/Roby 88" electric prop. I can stand it on end at see 2400FPM with two up and full tanks on takeoff.
If the planes stay in Washington, AC Propeller in Seattle did the AD on my Hartzel prop last year and was very reasonable, IMO. They had about 6 of them sitting in the shop waiting their turn.
 
My feelings is they will probably be scraped.
Or someone will buy them and let them sit for more years then scrapped.

Cost and labor is just too expensive to repair.
Starting to see same type planes on market place sitting outside in the Florida weather rotting away.
 
A free, let alone 30k, older Bonanza will cost more to restore than it can be sold for. And that assumes no major corrosion. I know of two more like the ones OP is talking about and they will never fly again. If you can get 15k for the corroded airframe which turns into a parts donor, great, take it. Yes they were efficient for their day and loved by many, but restoration unless for sentimental reasons will leave you upside down. Sure, if it's your "last" or "forever" airplane the calculus might change, but those never turn out that way - life, family, health, location, all change sometimes.
 
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