Saratoga SP

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looking at one of these and looking for information on these planes such as actual fuel burns, speeds, maintenance problems etc.

I have Cherokee 6 time and Archer time so I know about the wing.
 
I fly a 2000 Saratoga regularly. It's a turbo-charged retract version.

Cruising at 30" and 2300 while keeping the TIT below 1650 results in 18.5 gph in the 5000' range. Get up towards 8-9 and it comes closer but not exactly to the book of 16.5 gph.

The cruise speed seems to be a little slower than book (shocker, I know) but you can count on 155-160 true. If you get up to O2 levels then maybe you can achieve book speeds, never tried it.

You can only carry 6 if you have several little people. Just did a trip a week ago with 6 but 3 were kids and my lady is pretty tiny. Needed to keep the fuel at ~45 gallons to accommodate passengers and very light baggage. Keep in mind this plane has an A/C and built in O2 which cuts into weight. On the other side of W&B, if have just one other person up front with you and try full fuel you may be too far forward with the CG. 102 gallons is max fuel usable.

I can't speak to maintenance problems because I rent it. I'm glad to have been able to because it helped me realize that a twin is what I need (in the market now). It goes a little slower than I'd like, burns more fuel than I'd like (bridges the twin gap), and most importantly it doesn't have the useful load I need at times. Like I said above, you will find yourself (even with 4 adults) offloading quite a bit of fuel which kills the range with that burn rate. If an SP isn't turbo charged, I'm not sure, then it would be better in my flat lander book.

As with your prior Piper time, it lands perfectly fine as long as you don't chop the throttle. The plane flys solid like you'd expect from a heavier single. This one has an STEC 55 which can get goofy at times switching from enroute to approach but when it doesn't get goofy, it fly's the approach all the way down to MDA/DH. If you hold off on the gear till first notch flap speed and do both simultaneously you can't even really feel the pitch change.

Overall, a very good airplane (in my opinion) just not excellently suited for me.
 
I run the TIO540S1AD and I plan for about 18 gallons at 23 squared. That gives me about 125 knots indicated. I've been trying new settings recently though. Last weekend I ran it 29" and 2400 to the tune of 24 gal an hour giving me 145 knots indicated.

Bottom line is the TIO540 will be thirsty. But my limiting factor is heat to be honest. I have a fishbowl cowl.
 
NA version fixed gear Toga. I fly 145 knots at 65% power sipping ~14 gph.

I know it's not what you're looking for but giving some things to compare.
 
I fly a Saratoga SP regularly. File at 150 and calculate at 15 GPH for planning purposes. At higher altitudes ( 8000 feet) you can get it up to 155 and down to about 14.

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In addition, the one I use is a 1982 model and does have factory a/c. The useful load is just shy of 1300 lbs. So a later model with no a/c should be slightly better than that. The newer version like most planes tended to get fatter, with the useful loads dipping to around 1150 by the end of production.

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The newer version like most planes tended to get fatter, with the useful loads dipping to around 1150 by the end of production.

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Holy crap, that's terrible. Pointless to haul around that volume for such little useful.
 
Holy crap, that's terrible. Pointless to haul around that volume for such little useful.
Yeah, those were the models made after about 1988. The useful load is really good till about 1985. The sweet spot may be the non t-tail Lances with useful around 1400, but you give up 3 or 4 knots with the older wing.

You also have to remember to plane holds 102 gallons, if you only put 70 in you still get 3 plus hr IFR range and get a useful hualer.

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My 1980 fixed gear Toga has a useful of 1400. No AC but my portable "aircondooler" works great and is no hit on gross during the 8-9 months it's not needed.
 
Thanks Guys
Looking at an 81 NA retract.

Also at 210's, 182RG and Bonanzas. The boss wants six seats for those times when the grand kids will go.
 
182RG has only 4 seats, I'm sure you're aware of that? If you need 6 seats, personally I'd take the Saratoga vs the Bo, which tends to get more aft CG IMO. Flown a 210 some, but has been a very long time and I'm not sure how she does in the W&B area. Good luck.
 
I fly a Saratoga SP regularly. File at 150 and calculate at 15 GPH for planning purposes. At higher altitudes ( 8000 feet) you can get it up to 155 and down to about 14.

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Nice. That's carbe'd Comanche territory (157 @ 14), which is a considerably smaller airplane. It's amazing what a purposeful aerodynamic clean up of the airframe can do for cruise speed, especially for such voluminous aircraft.
 
In the early 1990s we rented an '84 PA-32R-301 for a couple hundred hours' worth of business trips and family vacations. Loved it. Not a sports car, more like a Buick station wagon -- a big, sloppy, loyal St. Bernard of an airplane. 155 KTAS at 16 gph is what I recall. Meanwhile, my law partner bought (at my suggestion) a brand new PA-32R-301T in 1985. He still has it.

Mrs. Pilawt has been heard to say that if money were no object, we'd have a Saratoga.
 
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