Safety pilot needed in NJ/NY area

Discussion in 'Cleared for the Approach' started by nj-pilot, Dec 25, 2018.

  1. nj-pilot

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    Please DM me if interested.
     
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    I can log PIC time as a safety pilot?
     
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    Curious what you are flying?
     
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    172 or 182
     
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    Log at 61.51


    Except the OP has offered logged PIC time in exchange for PIC services.

    https://www.aopa.org/news-and-media...ompensation-the-faa-knows-it-when-they-see-it

    61.113 Private pilot privileges and limitations: Pilot in command.
    (a) Except as provided in paragraphs (b) through (h) of this section, no person who holds a private pilot certificate may act as pilot in command of an aircraft that is carrying passengers or property for compensation or hire; nor may that person, for compensation or hire, act as pilot in command of an aircraft.
     
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    Thank you for trying to stir ****, but PIC time is not compensation.

     
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    Touché. I stand bested. Blinded by my desire to find a way vs stand in between.
     
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    Actually it is because it has value for the purposes of meeting regulations for various rating.

    Harrington Interpetation 1997

    “In determining what is considered compensation, it has been the FAA's long-standing policy to define compensation in very broad terms. For example, any reimbursement of expenses (fuel, oil, transportation, lodging, meals, etc.), if conditioned upon the pilot operating the aircraft, would constitute compensation. In addition, the building up of flight time may be compensatory in nature if the pilot does not have to pay the costs of operating the aircraft. While it could be argued that the accumulation of flight time is not always of value to the pilot involved, the FAA does not consider it appropriate to enter into a case-by-case analysis to determine whether the logging of time is of value to a particular pilot, or what the pilot's motives or intentions are on each flight”.
     
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    Actually it's not - different circumstance when you're talking about a required crewmember / SIC. FAA interpretation here.
    Logging time in the situation in which you are acting as a crewmember is perfectly legal and does not require that each crewmember share expenses evenly.

     
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    @Clip4 : 5 hours ago you didn't even know that safety pilots could log PIC time, but now you're citing regulations. I'm not sure if you are aware, but the FAA acts on rumors and hearsay when innocuous things like this are posted on social media, such as this site. Instead of casting accusations, maybe instead post a question - we are all pilots trying to get by and help each other. Thanks
     
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    It was a lead in to this point. The person may be safety pilot, the aircraft owner may list the safety pilots in his log and log the time, but where a person advertises time in exchange for a pilot service, that is compensation and the time should not be logged as PIC if you are a private safety pilot.
     
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    @Clip4: You sound like quite an authority on this matter. If you were right, then we would all be managing our IFR currency differently than we do. However you are not right, but seem unwilling to let that go. Please stop posting in this thread, it is not helpful.
     
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    Guess the kids who reminded the teacher that homework was due grow up, and joined POA lol
     
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