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dell30rb said:
gah the comments on there are killing me
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I really, really wish that all "news" organizations would ban comments.

What was he in, I wonder? Buddy Holly revisited?
 
weilke said:
Cherokee Six. 5 mile flight.300ft ceiling after dark. Freshly minted CFI at the controls.
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Yeah, those aren't fun conditions for the inexperienced.
 
N801BH said:
Can you say " take a boat " ??:dunno::dunno::dunno:
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Not knowing much about boat safety, I understand that in some cases, when the weather is bad the rig workers fly the helicopters instead of take the boat, because it's safer.

Of course, at some point ain't nobody goin' nowhere.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
I really, really wish that all "news" organizations would ban comments.

What was he in, I wonder? Buddy Holly revisited?
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I agree Ted. Sadly in speaking with a reporter recently ( whom actually writes pretty good and even handed online articles) This will appear to be the wave of the future with online media. This reporter dislikes when her article bascially becomes the tinder for a ****ing match between readers. She says eventually you will see online reporting looking more and more like social media.
 
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AdamZ said:
I agree Ted. Sadly in speaking with a reporter recently ( whom actually write pretty good and even online articles) This will appear to be the wave of the future with online media. This reporter dislikes when her article bascially becomes the tinder for a ****ing match between readers. She says eventually you will see online reporting looking more and more like social media.
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At first, I'd read comments on Cloud Nine articles that got published in the media. I stopped. I quickly got tired of reading the people saying what a terrible idea it was, a complete waste of money, and clearly just some rich guy doing something to occupy his extensive spare time. :mad2:
 
Ted DuPuis said:
At first, I'd read comments on Cloud Nine articles that got published in the media. I stopped. I quickly got tired of reading the people saying what a terrible idea it was, a complete waste of money, and clearly just some rich guy doing something to occupy his extensive spare time. :mad2:
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it isn't?? :)
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Hasn't bothered David White a bit. Must have something to do with who does the teaching!
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Well, David wasn't flying at night with 300 ft ceilings (assuming you're referring to his instrument flight last weekend). So it's not exactly apples to apples comparison.

Yes, students are "trained" to break out at ILS minimums 200 AGL (assuming a standard ILS), transition to VFR, and land. But when you're talking near minimums at night, you can severely question whether or not that's a good idea even for an experienced pilot in a piston single, much less an inexperienced one. Some approaches get very "interesting."

But no doubt, David did get excellent training.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Well, David wasn't flying at night with 300 ft ceilings (assuming you're referring to his instrument flight last weekend). So it's not exactly apples to apples comparison.

Yes, students are "trained" to break out at ILS minimums 200 AGL (assuming a standard ILS), transition to VFR, and land. But when you're talking near minimums at night, you can severely question whether or not that's a good idea even for an experienced pilot in a piston single, much less an inexperienced one. Some approaches get very "interesting."

But no doubt, David did get excellent training.
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Not at night, but I've been watching his videos, and he's been doing what I believe to be solo IMC to very low minimums this past week in Texas.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Not at night, but I've been watching his videos, and he's been doing what I believe to be solo IMC to very low minimums this past week in Texas.
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Not to speak for him, but he told me it was 500ish. 200 ft doesn't sound like much, but at that altitude, it's more significant (as I'm sure I don't need to tell you as an instrument pilot). It doesn't change the fact that a single-pilot night approach to 300 in actual isn't a great idea for people without much experience. I say this having done my share of day and night approaches down right to minimums, single pilot, precision and non, in Canada, US, and Mexico (Mexican approaches are the strangest), all kinds of weather.

Maybe I'm just getting old. Where's my cane, I need to shake it at those kids on my lawn.
 
David wasn't flying over one of the most efficient Ice Factories in North America either
 
tonycondon said:
David wasn't flying over one of the most efficient Ice Factories in North America either
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That what I was thinking. I was also thinking that sometimes it's easier to spot the airport and runway at night after breaking out so night isn't always a disadvantage.
 
weilke said:
Cherokee Six. 5 mile flight.300ft ceiling after dark. Freshly minted CFI at the controls.
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I don't get it........... :dunno:

A five mile flight over water with a 300' ceiling..... There is nothing to hit so just stay at 200' and 2.5 minutes later look for the runway and land.:idea::idea::eek:..
 
N801BH said:
I don't get it........... :dunno:

A five mile flight over water with a 300' ceiling..... There is nothing to hit so just stay at 200' and 2.5 minutes later look for the runway and land.:idea::idea::eek:..
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....and if you can't land for some reason, you just return to the airport you took off from and hit some trees 100ft from the shore.
 
weilke said:
....and if you can't land for some reason, you just return to the airport you took off from and hit some trees 100ft from the shore.
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Mary and I have flown out of St. Ignace, heading to Mackinac Island, several times, and each time we would look down upon departure and say/think "Whoa -- lots of trees." It's hilly, forested terrain all around that airport, and the airport on the island isn't much better.

Why anyone would attempt that flight at night with a 300' ceiling is beyond comprehension.
 
Ted DuPuis said:
Not to speak for him, but he told me it was 500ish. 200 ft doesn't sound like much, but at that altitude, it's more significant (as I'm sure I don't need to tell you as an instrument pilot). It doesn't change the fact that a single-pilot night approach to 300 in actual isn't a great idea for people without much experience. I say this having done my share of day and night approaches down right to minimums, single pilot, precision and non, in Canada, US, and Mexico (Mexican approaches are the strangest), all kinds of weather.
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That's true. Pucker factor goes up as the needle winds down with no ground in sight....

Ted DuPuis said:
Maybe I'm just getting old. Where's my cane, I need to shake it at those kids on my lawn.
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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
 
weilke said:
....and if you can't land for some reason, you just return to the airport you took off from and hit some trees 100ft from the shore.
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Yup.... you roll the dice and take your chances.:yesnod::yesnod::rolleyes2:..

If ya didn't get it yet my, fly at 200 ' post was in jest. Altho if a gun was held to my head and I was forced to fly the night Tom and the CFI got killed I would pick, stay low, clear of clouds and beline it to the island. Pick my comments apart all you want................ I am alive, both of them are dead. :idea:
 
What surprises me is that I thought that the airport at KMCD was still closed for the rebuild. It closed the Tuesday after Labor Day. But I don't see anything on the NOTAMs other than both PAPIs being OTS and an Obstacle Departure Procedure (ODP), so maybe they were able to get it reopened for the winter as they'd hoped.
 
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