Reason #436,000,000 the TSA should be desolved

Richard

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Perhaps the legal eagles will comment on this. It seems the judge so swiftly that his decision was to act as a de facto suppression of evidence.

At trial, (TSA supervisor) Kieser was the first and only witness to testify. Municipal Judge Felice Stack acquitted Vanderklok of all charges within minutes of hearing Kieser's testimony. Vanderklok's lawyer, Thomas Malone, didn't get a chance to question the Philadelphia police officers and detectives who were involved in Vanderklok's arrest. Nor did he get to show the surveillance video that contradicted Kieser.
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http://www.philly.com/philly/news/l...raveler_when_he_asks_to_file_a_complaint.html
 
SCCutler said:
The inevitable result of vesting people or agencies with power, unaccompanied by immediate and meaningful consequences for its abuse.
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Everyone wants authority, few want responsibility! ;)
 
You mean there are only 436 million bad things about tsa?
 
From the linked article I gather a legal action is soon to get started naming the TSA (Govt) and the Philly PD and, IIRC, specifically named individuals. I would like the docket number on that when/if it happens. I reckon it will be filed in Philly.

Perjury will be the least of Kieser's problems. But TSA and labor union will want to sweep it under the rug. Publicity is required.
 
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
 
JB1842 said:
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
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The not doing anything wrong, nothing to worry about bit. Expanded to don't do anything even slightly different then the norm. The sheep that strays from the flock will be eaten by our overlords. F'em they deserved it for not being like everyone else. If the guy was intentionally pushing the limits more power to him.
 
JB1842 said:
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
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Bow unthinking to the mighty gov? Never!

Apparently a frequent flier distance runner uses a PVC tube. Those ramp apes doncha know.
 
JB1842 said:
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
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Are you suggesting that the TSA personnel have an excuse for completely unprofessional inappropriate behavior?
 
How does one "set up" the TSA? Are they incapable of distinguishing between power bars and explosives? Do the supervisors always have people arrested for no reason and then perjure themselves?
 
JB1842 said:
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
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I had the same thought. So, he set them up. They still took the bait and were WAY out of line. It doesn't excuse detaining him for 20 hours and then lying about his actions.
 
Bob Noel said:
Are you suggesting that the TSA personnel have an excuse for completely unprofessional inappropriate behavior?
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I believe they had enough reason to detain him for a reasonable time to find out what he had on him. But reasonable isn't for 20 hours.
 
Richard said:
From the linked article I gather a legal action is soon to get started naming the TSA (Govt) and the Philly PD and, IIRC, specifically named individuals. I would like the docket number on that when/if it happens. I reckon it will be filed in Philly.

Perjury will be the least of Kieser's problems. But TSA and labor union will want to sweep it under the rug. Publicity is required.
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Local story in DC is that he is filing suit against the agency and the supervisor involved.

TSA and DHS will argue over the venue (the law is written in a way to make it very, very hard to sue the TSA - IIRC, the venue must be the US court of appeals) and then argue that the evidence can't be disclosed for national security reasons and therefore the suit must be dismissed.
 
Lindberg said:
How does one "set up" the TSA? Are they incapable of distinguishing between power bars and explosives? Do the supervisors always have people arrested for no reason and then perjure themselves?
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Sounds about right.
 
wsuffa said:
Local story in DC is that he is filing suit against the agency and the supervisor involved.

TSA and DHS will argue over the venue (the law is written in a way to make it very, very hard to sue the TSA - IIRC, the venue must be the US court of appeals) and then argue that the evidence can't be disclosed for national security reasons and therefore the suit must be dismissed.
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Where can I buy a veil of protection like that ???:dunno::dunno:......:D
 
JB1842 said:
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
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According to the article, the watch was in a "tube" and the power bars were in the bag.

I could see putting a watch inside something strong to protect it from getting smashed. And it's not like they can't open up the tube.

Did you miss the part where the TSA claimed this passenger got agitated, started waving his hands around, getting in his face and giving the bird.. when the security video shows him standing calmly during the entire ordeal?


I hope the passenger wins his suit against the TSA, but you know who pays for that. I would rather see the individual officer held criminally responsible, and his superiors fired.
 
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JB1842 said:
I believe they had enough reason to detain him for a reasonable time to find out what he had on him. But reasonable isn't for 20 hours.
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How long does it take to look at the power bars and watch?

Why would detaining him at all be necessary? (unless you consider spending 5 minutes searching his bag is "detaining")
 
Yeah, zero reason to detain anyone.
 
Lindberg said:
How does one "set up" the TSA? Are they incapable of distinguishing between power bars and explosives? Do the supervisors always have people arrested for no reason and then perjure themselves?
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I travel on business, a lot. I've had a couple of occasions where I forgot I left something in my laptop case. Thankfully never had a mean TSA agent, most are really friendly and they get to know you over time. One was a Three Muskateers (the chocolate bar) which was in the same compartment as my ear buds and cell charger. That caused quite a stir going through the machine. The TSA lady calmly and politely advised she needed to look in the bag. Her face, and the laughter that ensued afterwards was priceless. We all had a good laugh and I was on my way.

I can't imagine what it would have been like had I been in Philly with this guy over Charlotte...
 
Uh oh, I think I'm in trouble. :rofl:

"PowerBars, which contain milk, grain and sugar, are considered 'organic matter' and can resemble a common explosive."​
 
Palmpilot said:
Uh oh, I think I'm in trouble. :rofl:
"PowerBars, which contain milk, grain and sugar, are considered 'organic matter' and can resemble a common explosive."​
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Interesting.. I didn't know that...:no::redface:
 
Florida Cracker said:
Neither does anyone else, it's just bull**** to cover their crimes. Like claiming taking off shoes helps guard against hijacking.
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I just regard it as unintentional humor.
 
Palmpilot said:
If Power Bars smelled of foot odor, I wouldn't eat them!
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The quality of foot odor is often reported as a thick, cheese-like smell. Some describe the smell like that of malt vinegar. However, it can also be ammonia-like. Brevibacteria are considered a major cause of foot odor because they ingest dead skin on the feet and, in the process, convert amino acid methionine into methanethiol, which has a sulfuric aroma. The dead skin that fuels this process is especially common on the soles and between the toes. The brevibacteria is also what gives cheeses such as Limburger, Bel Paese, Port Salut, Pálpusztai and Munster their characteristic pungency.[2]
Propionic acid (propanoic acid) is also present in many foot sweat samples.[citation needed] This acid is a breakdown product of amino acids by Propionibacteria, which thrive in the ducts of adolescent and adult sebaceous glands. The similarity in chemical structures between propionic acid and acetic acid, which share many physical characteristics such as odor, may account for foot odors identified as being vinegar-like. Isovaleric acid (3-methyl butanoic acid) is the other source of foot odor and is a result of actions of the bacteria Staphylococcus epidermidis[3] which is also present in several strong cheese types.
Other implicated micro-organisms include Micrococcaceae, Corynebacterium and Pityrosporum.[4]
Bart Knols, of Wageningen Agricultural University, the Netherlands, received an "IG Nobel" prize in 2006[5] for showing that the female malaria mosquito Anopheles gambiae "is attracted equally to the smell of Limburger cheese and to the smell of human feet".[6]
 
The airlines were in charge of security until 9-11. They did a terrible job and claimed they could not afford better security. So......the government took over on orders from G.W. Bush. We've had to bail the airlines out several times.
 
Jimmy cooper said:
The airlines were in charge of security until 9-11. They did a terrible job and claimed they could not afford better security. So......the government took over on orders from G.W. Bush. We've had to bail the airlines out several times.
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I thought it was a Congressional initiative.
 
JB1842 said:
The traveller sounds like a troll who was purposely setting up the TSA. Other articles I read said that the cylinder was a PVC pipe. Who puts a watch and power bars in PVC pipe?
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Yeah, too bad the TSA supervisor LIED about everything subsequent. Every cop involved here should be fired as well. Then sued until they are sleeping in a cardboard box under a bridge.
 
Jimmy cooper said:
The airlines were in charge of security until 9-11. They did a terrible job and claimed they could not afford better security. So......the government took over on orders from G.W. Bush. We've had to bail the airlines out several times.
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How did the airlines do a terrible job at security pre-9-11? The box cutters that the hijackers used were permitted on board. In truth, they didn't even need them, as a note with a bomb threat or a pointy stick held to the neck of an FA would have sufficed. The protocol for dealing with hijackers is what killed 2,996 people that day. The changed protocols and the more-secure cockpits are why we will not have another 9-11. The fact that I have to leave my swiss-army knife at home has nothing to do with it.

Even without any airport security, mechanical failure and pilot error would still kill many more people than terrorism.
 
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