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About 20 years ago, I used to make a sometimes flight between Co Springs, and out west. I always charted it, and often wondered about R-6413, just south of Green River UT.
A dozen years ago, when I lived in Denver and would go boating at lake Powell, I actually got off the highway once, and trundled down a few goat tracks, and came to an imposing fence due south of Green River. I haven't been back since.
Recently, I've gained interest in the location again and did some digging. So far, I have found only a few clues to the R space, and it's original identity, but a lot of it still shrouded in mystery.
An old tin-hat guy has this to say:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/891398/posts
And there is some backing by this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread11384/pg1
Which linked a Pop Mechanics story that is no longer avail, prolly just due to age, and nothing nefarious. A debunker of the article had this to say:
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/may/a17-001.shtml
But he apparently didn't find these rather short 'runways' or whatever they are in the location under the R space:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/3...936003,22649m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
It's been so long that I was down there, I can't recall if that's the area where the big chain link fence was, but it certainly could be. The road is rather tongue in cheek named 'new Area 51 rd' as well as the general BLM325 rd.
Also of interest to note, is the orientation of the short runways to the delineation of the R space above it. Hmmmmm, does sort of look like some kind of almost vertical launch, or very high Q environment where the craft would be taken almost straight up, coinciding with the R space going from sfc to UNL.
AOPA had this to say about it 7 years back:
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/...ary-should-release-unused-restricted-airspace
Nothing since. At the very least, I strongly agree with AOPA that these R spaces that haven't been used for decades need to be returned to the NAS public, and decommissioned officially. There are several around NM and of course in SoCal which has grown by leaps and bounds in the past 20 years to no benefit that I can see. Before you try the public shaming via 'well, they need to practice you know', I do know, and the military doesn't need even 1/10 of what they have restricted and in MOA airspace. Much of it could be reduced, and some of it can be released like this deal.
Anyone have any other thoughts? Maybe the little green men are out there, or their space ship? More than likely, just big plans by the 'crats that never materialized, but they won't give up the airspace regardless. Sad.
A dozen years ago, when I lived in Denver and would go boating at lake Powell, I actually got off the highway once, and trundled down a few goat tracks, and came to an imposing fence due south of Green River. I haven't been back since.
Recently, I've gained interest in the location again and did some digging. So far, I have found only a few clues to the R space, and it's original identity, but a lot of it still shrouded in mystery.
An old tin-hat guy has this to say:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/891398/posts
And there is some backing by this:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread11384/pg1
Which linked a Pop Mechanics story that is no longer avail, prolly just due to age, and nothing nefarious. A debunker of the article had this to say:
http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1997/may/a17-001.shtml
But he apparently didn't find these rather short 'runways' or whatever they are in the location under the R space:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/3...936003,22649m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0
It's been so long that I was down there, I can't recall if that's the area where the big chain link fence was, but it certainly could be. The road is rather tongue in cheek named 'new Area 51 rd' as well as the general BLM325 rd.
Also of interest to note, is the orientation of the short runways to the delineation of the R space above it. Hmmmmm, does sort of look like some kind of almost vertical launch, or very high Q environment where the craft would be taken almost straight up, coinciding with the R space going from sfc to UNL.
AOPA had this to say about it 7 years back:
http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/...ary-should-release-unused-restricted-airspace
Nothing since. At the very least, I strongly agree with AOPA that these R spaces that haven't been used for decades need to be returned to the NAS public, and decommissioned officially. There are several around NM and of course in SoCal which has grown by leaps and bounds in the past 20 years to no benefit that I can see. Before you try the public shaming via 'well, they need to practice you know', I do know, and the military doesn't need even 1/10 of what they have restricted and in MOA airspace. Much of it could be reduced, and some of it can be released like this deal.
Anyone have any other thoughts? Maybe the little green men are out there, or their space ship? More than likely, just big plans by the 'crats that never materialized, but they won't give up the airspace regardless. Sad.
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