Put PP ASEL on non aviation resume?

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  1. exncsurfer

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    Curious if anyone puts their pilot cert on their non aviation resume.

    Seems somewhat relevant to me, knowing what goes into getting one. Not sure if anyone outside would get it or if it's odd to add or not.
     
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    Sure, why not? It can’t hurt. Besides a College Degree, it shows the potential employer that you’re dedicated and committed.
     
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    nope, never even thought about that.
     
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    Yup, committed and proves you can get it done.
     
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    I have it on mine. Just something to show I’m not just a complete engineering nerd:D

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    Nope... more likely you'll be explaining what the hell that means.

    And interviews aren't a place to be explaining ****.

    I had a prospect who got to me (third interview) with "Jiu Jitsu" instructor on his resume. I asked how much time he spends doing that. "2-3 hours a day."

    Next contestant.
     
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    ...and already rich, so you’ll be able to afford to work for pennies because you’re already rolling in dough if you’re a pilot!

    I don’t add it to my resumé, because if people don’t already know I’m a pilot from the white shirt with gold bars on it, the Ray-Ban aviators, hat, scarf, leather jacket, and me constantly saying (in a loud voice) “Yeah, that’s right, I’m a PILOT!” then I don’t wanna work for those schmucks, anyway.
     
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    Most advice I've gotten leans towards no, but it helped me get a job. I had it listed as an interest, not a qualification. Lead developer at the startup was also a pilot and it helped me to land the interview.
     
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    Somehow I can picture that and you doing that. ;)
     
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    To be fair and honest... in an interview when the discussion of 'personal interests' occurs I would mention it. It's just not something you want with a red circle around it with the letters WTF next to it when you're putting yourself out as a professional [anything other than a pilot]. And if you're putting yourself out as a professional pilot listing your PPL is like saying you went to middle school.
     
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    I'm far from an expert on resumes, but I'd tailor the resume to the position being sought. If you think that adding your certificates and ratings to the resume will increase your chances at getting an interview, then I'd add it. If not, I'd probably leave it off.

    Of the certificates I hold, I'd guess the pilot certificate would generate the least amount of interest outside of the aviation community.
     
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    I can't see a reason not to, if the manger is a pilot it might help, can't see how it could hurt, and it's more impressive than many of the degree mill useless BSs and BAs you see nowadays.
     
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    Ha! Very good point.
     
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    I have it on mine. I know people who have gotten jobs in large part due to the “other interests” part of their resumes: squash, cycling, running, private pilot, and figure skating.

    Once you show you are qualified for the job, the rest is up to building a rapport with the interviewer. What sets you apart from the 100 other people with the same resume? Other interests can help with that.
     
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    I ran into a former student of mine who was a high school student when I taught him and is about 30 now. He told me having private pilot on his resume helped several times during job interviews.
     
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    I'm curious.. for those who say to include it and that it can't hurt:
    How many hiring decisions do you make each year, and how many resumes do you review?

    Just curious.
     
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    Absolutely. I pride it more than my graduate engineering degree.
     
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    I'd guess the results would vary based on who is reading the resume.
    If you list extracurricular accomplishments on your professional resume, it shows that you are more versatile than most applicants for the job and not just a one-trick pony (lord knows we have plenty of those here).
    But then again, it can also get completely overlooked or even worse, might hinder your chances of getting the job if someone thinks you are a show-off and/or is actually jealous.
    Again, I'd wager the results would be hit-n-miss.
    Report back to us with the outcome, I am curious.
     
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    I got a job because of it too; my first job out of college. I applied to be a photolab technician. That job had been filled, but they needed an mapping photographer. The guy who interviewed me noticed it on my resume and assumed I would not be airsick or scared in small airplanes.

    Of course, I didn't have a lot to put on my resume in those days, only my college degree and a number of part time jobs.

    Also, I was not looking at a career as a pilot at that point. For me it was just an interesting hobby. That changed after getting into the mapping business.
     
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    You mean like @Ravioli? :D

    I kid Rob!
     
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    Currently, we don't have a ton of pilot turnover, but people give your resume one look, standing out is a good thing, and I'd go as far as to say if someone didn't hire you because you earned your PPL, not sure I'd want to work for a company that made senseless stupid decisions anyways.
     
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    You caught the whole NON-AVIATION job part of this thread, right?

    Should we put our NAUI diving certifications and lifeguard training on there too?
     
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    Zero. Putting myself in the eyes of a Hiring Manager, I would be most apt to look at potential candidates who *obviously* meet the requirements of the desired position, but also ones who appear to be driven and unique, with qualities that other candidates may or may not have. A lot of Hiring Managers like to see extra-curricular activities and also your achievements, beyond professional experience. I can’t see how it would place somebody at a disadvantage toward a potential job.
     
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    Depends. If under hobbies and interests, your write “flying,” no problem. Might spark a conversation.

    OTOH,.....

    I was reviewing candidates for a non-aviation job last year. One applicant wrote under “other skills” that he was a pilot with an instrument rating and xxx hours, etc. I thought it made him look like a pretentious jerk and braggart, since it had absolutely nothing to do with the job.
     
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    Yes.

    And yes, well minus the lifeguard thing unless you are a teenager or worked bay watch with Pam Anderson.

    It's not just hiring someone that checks the boxes, it's bringing on personalities, and having some passions in life looks good.


    I wouldn't put hours and stuff, but just private/commerical/ATP pilot would be fine, even a mention of a charity like pilots and paws.
     
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    And if you know what that means, you think he's like a CFI trying to build enough hours to get into a flying job.
     
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    Back in the day, I did a lot of interviews for engineering hires. I always looked for “other interests” or something similar. If they made the initial screen for engineering skills, I sorted those who showed they would likely be more than drones to the top of the list of potential hires.

    Cheers
     
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    Are we talking about an employment application or a resume for a dating site?

    Cheers
     
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    Both are fair game as far as I’m concerned..
     
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    God's honest truth. I noted it on my last resume.

    I'm employed by a cirrus pilot. I know the odds there are probably rare as hell but in the interview he said "I saw you're a pilot that piqued my interest as I'm also a pilot"

    I believe that had something to do with me getting the interview.
     
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    It's on mine. Been hired twice with it under Interests, alkng with woodturning, caligraphy, etc. Simply wrote "instrument rated private pilot," not PPL, IA, XXX hours, Complex Endorsement, etc., etc.

    Nothing wrong with showing a little personality. Also gives me the chance to mention briefly that I was working at (this job here) while going to night school for my Masters and learning to fly on the weekend. Got my license much quicker than my MSE, too. :p
     
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    I add it. It gives something to talk about and I have actually had it be a rapport builder at 2 jobs where my boss was also a pilot.

    It can’t hurt. It goes under education.
     
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    I’d say sure. As a hiring manager all the resumes I see are qualified by the time they get through the recruiters. I’m looking for someone that I want to be around 50 hours a week. Personality matters.
     
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    It’s on mine in the interest/volunteering section toward the end.

    And not in Aviation jargon. Just says “Airplane pilot”. Suppose I’ll have to edit it to say “Airplane Instructor” now if/when I ever need the resume dusted off again.

    It’s in a longer list of other stuff. Sometimes folks were interested sometimes not. Pretty much like everything else in that list.
     
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    You throw out the ones with a family, too, since that involves 2-3+ hours per day?


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    I’ve known employers who should have... LOL... but it was way more than 2-3 hours and was a significant problem for everyone else in the department.

    I’ve always been the “no kids, I’ll cover the overnights and weekends” guy my whole life, but I’ve seen a few who abuse the hell out of “needing to go pick up the kids” and I mean, bad.

    We have a couple of folks with special needs kids at the current place, and that’s a whole different ballgame. I wouldn’t work with a group of people who wouldn’t help those parents out. That’d be a major sign of ass-hattery if people picked on those folks.
     
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    I think I had "pilot and experimental airplane owner" on my resume. But technical hobbies are relevant to an engineering position.
     
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    I think that interviews ARE a place to be explaining. A career type job is one that requires a fit between employer and employee. Not just a fit between needs and skills, but also a fit in culture. When I hire someone, I am hiring the person, not their ability to draw lines in AutoCAD. And the more information I have to make a determination of who that person is, the better equipped I feel to understand how they'll fit in our corporate environment.

    Furthermore, I make it clear (especially to entry level people) that THEY need to be interviewing US as much as WE're interviewing THEM. Hiring someone/changing jobs is a big deal. The more info you have the more likely you will get it right.
     
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