Printing weather charts for Private Pilot checkride

jconway2002

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I scheduled my checkride for this Saturday, and one of the DPEs request was that I bring with me al the weather information listed in the PTS. To be honest I never used the charts for XC planning, and I guess I am just wondering where the best place to print these charts is? DUATS? NOAA?

To refresh everyone's memory, these are the charts I need:

Surface analysis chart
Radar summary chart
Winds and temperature aloft chart
Significant weather prognostic chart
Convective outlook chart
 
I scheduled my checkride for this Saturday, and one of the DPEs request was that I bring with me al the weather information listed in the PTS. To be honest I never used the charts for XC planning, and I guess I am just wondering where the best place to print these charts is? DUATS? NOAA?

To refresh everyone's memory, these are the charts I need:

Surface analysis chart
Radar summary chart
Winds and temperature aloft chart
Significant weather prognostic chart
Convective outlook chart

Graphical charts in DUATS? Where?

ADDS would be a good place for this. But, honestly, it's kinda silly. You want the LATEST weather, and bringing it up during your oral on the terminal is the best way to go about that. However, it's not a good idea to argue with a DPE.

Forecasts are updated every 6 hours.
 
Graphical charts in DUATS? Where?

ADDS would be a good place for this. But, honestly, it's kinda silly. You want the LATEST weather, and bringing it up during your oral on the terminal is the best way to go about that. However, it's not a good idea to argue with a DPE.

Forecasts are updated every 6 hours.

CSC DUATS has weather graphics.

I am hoping he just wants to see that I know how to obtain the information and we can skip right by it. :D
 
On my recent IR checkride, I used the weather charts of aviationweather.gov. I had the pertinent charts bookmarked in my iPad for easy access.

My examiner was a fan of technology. He liked that I was concerned about having the most updated information possible and able to point out the changes that occurred after my 2 hour old official briefing.

On the other hand, I've heard there are examiners that require death of a tree and a paper presentation instead.
 
I scheduled my checkride for this Saturday, and one of the DPEs request was that I bring with me al the weather information listed in the PTS. To be honest I never used the charts for XC planning, and I guess I am just wondering where the best place to print these charts is? DUATS? NOAA?

To refresh everyone's memory, these are the charts I need:

Surface analysis chart
Radar summary chart
Winds and temperature aloft chart
Significant weather prognostic chart
Convective outlook chart

I was asked to print weather charts for my checkride as well. I was also supposed to use thesame charts for my xcntry planning.

DUATS is what i used to print all the ones you mentioned and some more. I cheated too: DUATS also has a "translated" version of the text data, so I printed that too.

During the checkride the DPE looked at what i had printed (a book, really) and asked me various questions related to them. It worked out well as the questions seemed straight forward to me.

If you do use DUATS, there was, I think, a printer-friendly option.
 
I was asked to print weather charts for my checkride as well. I was also supposed to use thesame charts for my xcntry planning.

DUATS is what i used to print all the ones you mentioned and some more. I cheated too: DUATS also has a "translated" version of the text data, so I printed that too.

During the checkride the DPE looked at what i had printed (a book, really) and asked me various questions related to them. It worked out well as the questions seemed straight forward to me.

If you do use DUATS, there was, I think, a printer-friendly option.

Thank you for this. Yes, it seems everything I use is translated to plain english as well...love it!
 
You can print charts from www.duat.com (not the same as www.duats.com). You'll need to register if you haven't already.

I suggest you use www.duat.com. Once you log in, on the left side menu, select "Route Briefing". Complete the form and you'll get a printable weather briefing. On the same left side menu, select "Weather Graphics" and you can select the charts you are seeking.
 
You can print charts from www.duat.com (not the same as www.duats.com). You'll need to register if you haven't already.

I suggest you use www.duat.com. Once you log in, on the left side menu, select "Route Briefing". Complete the form and you'll get a printable weather briefing. On the same left side menu, select "Weather Graphics" and you can select the charts you are seeking.

Thanks.
 
jconway2002, I would caution you with the use of those links. NOAA and the AWC is NOT considered as a primary weather source. It is considered as supplementary weather products. Thus, an examiner might have issue with you using "unofficial" weather products. One of the links provided has this cautionary statement:

The AWC Homepage "Standard Briefing" is intended as a tool to help pilots better visualize weather and weather-related hazards. It is not intended as a substitute for a weather briefing obtained from a Flight Service Station (1-800-WXBRIEF). Currently, the information contained here does not meet the FAA requirements for a pre-flight weather brief. Therefore, it's important that pilots still call and obtain a briefing from an FAA Flight Service Specialist.

This should raise a few red flags.
 
I would point out that AFS-800 says it's OK to use a computer for the weather without actually printing out the charts. You'll just have to bring your iPad or whatever to the test, and make sure you have the necessary Internet access.

That said, if you were never taught to use those charts (at least in electronic format) for your XC planning, your instructor has been somewhat remiss. You might want to grab your instructor for a little sit-down on that to make sure you understand the proper interpretation and use of those charts before you go before the DPE.

Also, while those charts are supplemental to a full weather briefing, they are quite official in that supplementsl capacity, and the ability to read and interpret them is required as part of the PP PTS, so there will most definitely be no issue if you get them off the NOAA Aviation Weather site. Unless, of course, someone knows how to obtain them over the telephone from FSS.
 
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I would point out that AFS-800 says it's OK to use a computer for the weather without actually printing out the charts. .

Just curious, do you have a reference for that? It would be nice for the applicant to see and know about in case the DPE thinks otherwise.
 
Yes -- call or email AFS-802 and ask him. Written guidance is in work.

Well, as everyone knows a phone call and a verbal means nothing. Until they put it in writing on official letterhead and through the personal channels it's just an opinion.

Until written guidance is published then the DPE can refuse to accept it.
 
Straight out of the latest AIM edition:

7-1-2. FAA Weather Services

b. The primary source of preflight weather briefings is an individual briefing obtained from a briefer at the FSS. These briefings, which are tailored to your specific flight, are available 24 hours a day through the use of the toll free number (1-800-WX BRIEF). Numbers for these services can be found in the Airport/Facility Directory (A/FD) under "FAA and NWS Telephone Numbers" section. They may also be listed in the U.S. Government section of your local telephone directory under Department of Transportation, Federal Aviation Administration.

h. In addition, pilots and operators should be aware there are weather services and products available from government organizations beyond the scope of the AWTT process mentioned earlier in this section. For example, governmental agencies such as the NWS, the Aviation Weather Center (AWC), and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) display weather “model data” and “experimental” products which require training and/or expertise to properly interpret and use. These products are developmental prototypes that are subject to ongoing research and can change without notice. Therefore, some data on display by government organizations, or government data on display by independent organizations may be unsuitable for flight planning purposes. Operators and pilots contemplating using such services should request and/or review an appropriate description of services and provider disclosure. This should include, but is not limited to, the type of weather product (e.g., current weather or forecast weather), the currency of the product (i.e., product issue and valid times), and the relevance of the product. Pilots and operators should be cautious when using unfamiliar weather products.
NOTE- When in doubt, consult with a FAA Flight Service Station Specialist.


i. 1. Primary Weather Product. An aviation weather product that meets all the regulatory requirements and safety needs for use in making flight related, aviation weather decisions.
i. 2. Supplementary Weather Product. An aviation weather product that may be used for enhanced situational awareness. If utilized, a supplementary weather product must only be used in conjunction with one or more primary weather product. In addition, the FAA may further restrict the use of supplementary aviation weather products through limitations described in the product label.

The FAA also produced a weather decision making guide which also states that the primary source of weather is via FSS (1-800-WX BRIEF):

http://www.faa.gov/pilots/safety/media/ga_weather_decision_making.pdf

It makes mention of using the Weather Channel and Internet sources as a general weather understanding an practical flight planning use. However, the document ultimately leads you to contact FSS for an official briefing after you analyze the weather information from sources like ADDS or NWS.

Too many pilots out there believe that the weather information that they get off of their mobile devices or desktop qualify as obtaining an official weather briefing from a primary weather source. This is simply not the case.

I will say that the weather information from NSW and ADDS are official government weather and can be used for planning purposes. But it absolutely does not substitute for receipt of an official weather briefing. If you fly without a briefing from FSS or obtained a weather briefing from DUAT/DUATS, you didn't get an official weather briefing.

So long story short, if you're going in to a practical exam, bring the official primary weather products with you. After you pass your check ride, you can go ahead and follow the sheep with thinking iPad weather is just as good or keep up the proper way of obtaining your weather through FSS, DUAT, or DUATS.

Note: If you use www.aviationweather.gov or adds.aviationweather.gov and login with a QICP username/password, anything you do with that site will be recorded and count as obtaining official weather. However, be caution. An official weather briefing includes a large number of areas and you will need to cover all these areas in order for your session to count as having obtained an official weather report. This means you will be doing a lot of clicking around to get at all the information. Still, you should make note of this disclaimer at the bottom of their site:

This Qualified Internet Communication Provider's (QICP) servers and communication interfaces are approved by the FAA as secure, reliable, and accessible in accordance with AC 00-62.
1) This QICP does not ensure the quality and currency of the information transmitted to you.
2) The user assumes the entire risk related to the information and its use.


You have to ask yourself if it isn't just easier to get an official weather briefing from FSS, DUAT, or DUATS in the first place.
 
Very nice, William. Now, how do you get a surface analysis chart, radar summary chart, etc, from FSS over the phone so you can show the DPE that you know how to interpret them as required by the PP PTS?
 
Very nice, William. Now, how do you get a surface analysis chart, radar summary chart, etc, from FSS over the phone so you can show the DPE that you know how to interpret them as required by the PP PTS?

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The only thing I can add is:

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Very nice, William. Now, how do you get a surface analysis chart, radar summary chart, etc, from FSS over the phone so you can show the DPE that you know how to interpret them as required by the PP PTS?

Did you miss the part where I mentioned to the OP that he should use DUAT (www.duat.com) and print out the weather graphics in an earlier post?
 
Did you miss the part where I mentioned to the OP that he should use DUAT (www.duat.com) and print out the weather graphics in an earlier post?
You are simply reading way more into that AIM section than is there. The FAA is perfectly happy with any of the NWS products for this use -- really. If you doubt that, ask them.
 
You are simply reading way more into that AIM section than is there. The FAA is perfectly happy with any of the NWS products for this use -- really. If you doubt that, ask them.

What's there to read into? If you don't want to call FSS, that's your business. I'm quite sure my FSDO is okay with FSS/DUAT/DUATS as a primary weather source. Maybe you should call yours to confirm this as well...to strengthen your own knowledge.

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My information and recommendations to the OP is sound. And to your point, I never told the OP to not use ADDS or NWS, only to be aware of certain gotchas.
 
After you pass your check ride, you can go ahead and follow the sheep with thinking iPad weather is just as good


With an Ipad + Foreflight, I can review METARS, TAF's, ADDS charts, Radar in a clean and interactive graphical presentation, and then get a full text DUATS breifing with the touch of one button for the flight plan I have plugged in. BAAAAAAh BAAAAAh
 
What's there to read into? If you don't want to call FSS, that's your business. I'm quite sure my FSDO is okay with FSS/DUAT/DUATS as a primary weather source. Maybe you should call yours to confirm this as well...to strengthen your own knowledge.

:mad2:

My information and recommendations to the OP is sound. And to your point, I never told the OP to not use ADDS or NWS, only to be aware of certain gotchas.
I never said not to get an official briefing. However, that's not the subject of this discussion, just how to get the charts necessary to accomplish PP PTS Area I Task C elements 1b through 1f, and a briefing from FSS won't do that. OTOH, the chart sources I mentioned will. If you think a DPE will fail someone for, or a FSDO Inspector will object to, bringing those NWS charts to the PP practical test for that purpose, then either you are misinformed or have a maverick examiner in your area.
 
I don't think an examiner will fail a candidate for bringing charts printed from NWS. I just think if you can do one stop shop of getting an official briefing and get your charts (www.duat.com) for example, all the better. Either way, my point is that using NWS or ADDS does not constitute an official weather briefing.

I'm also aware of ForeFlight's weather capabilities, but that's not exactly a cheap solution (hardware + annual subscription), when I can get all I need via FSS/DUAT/DUATS for free.
 
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