PPL without medical?

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
What would be the point of a PPL certificate if you only exercise the SP privileges? (other than saving one check ride)

Note: MOSAIC significantly expands what a SP can fly. Stall speed has gone up, and gone are the 1320 pound and 2 seat limits (along with a few other things). But you can still only carry one other live body.
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The purpose would be, as the OP stated, to get the PPL asap, but not delay the PPL while you wait for the medical issues to work out. Yes, save a check ride ($$) and I thought you also had to take another written as well ($). Cannot fly a SP in pursuit of a business. :-( Obviously either way cannot fly at night without a medical.
 
Racerx said:
Gonna be hard to meet ppl solo requirements without a medical.
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Can you not solo in a sport pilot plane (which does not require a medical) while working towards the PPL - regardless you are operating under a Student Certificate privileges at that point...
 
Mr.Awesome said:
Can you not solo in a sport pilot plane (which does not require a medical) while working towards the PPL - regardless you are operating under a Student Certificate privileges at that point...
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The solo hours would not apply towards the PP certificate requirements, as I read the regs.
 
robin ardoin said:
The solo hours would not apply towards the PP certificate requirements, as I read the regs.
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Hours of SP training (including student solo time, AFAIK) count toward PP under either of two circumstances: (1) the pilot gets a SP certificate OR (2) the training hours were provided by a CFI, not a Sport CFI.

I earned SP first, then proceeded to PP a year or so later. All of my SP training and hours counted toward PP.
 
Half Fast said:
Hours of SP training (including student solo time, AFAIK) count toward PP under either of two circumstances: (1) the pilot gets a SP certificate OR (2) the training hours were provided by a CFI, not a Sport CFI.

I earned SP first, then proceeded to PP a year or so later. All of my SP training and hours counted toward PP.
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But, sport pilot solo hours (with no medical certificate) counting toward private solo time? Private solo can only be done if you have a medical cert. I would be surprised if you can legally 'back door' the system.
 
robin ardoin said:
But, sport pilot solo hours (with no medical certificate) counting toward private solo time? Private solo can only be done if you have a medical cert. I would be surprised if you can legally 'back door' the system.
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If you get the SP ticket, it all counts toward PP. My solo XC time all counted, including flights I made after getting the SP ticket. Why should a pilot need to repeat flights he already made legally? The medical has no bearing on the training and experience he received.
 
The only caveat is that if you’re not going to get a Sport Pilot certificate first, make sure
robin ardoin said:
Private solo can only be done if you have a medical cert. I would be surprised if you can legally 'back door' the system.
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Where does it say that?
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
What am I missing? What can't someone do in a Champ (or 172 next year)?
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Perhaps only nuance.
The statement was, "So, without a medical, someone can do all the training and requirements for a PPL, all the way up to the DPE test, as they are operating under the Student Certificate." Part 61.23(a)(3)(i) requires a 3rd class medical to exercise the privileges of a student pilot certificate unless operating under Basic Med.

Subpart J applies to applicants for sport pilot certificates, but not applicants for private pilot certificates.

So you could probably meet the aeronautical experience requirements for a PPL in a light-sport aircraft, but not if you're an applicant for a PPL....
 
MauleSkinner said:
The only caveat is that if you’re not going to get a Sport Pilot certificate first, make sure

Where does it say that?
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To be PIC, one must have either a current medical certificate or basicmed. To fly solo one must meet the requirements to fly as PIC. What am I missing here? I had a complicated medical certification and had over 170hrs dual before I could get my class 3 squared away. I was not able to fly solo until that happened.
 
robin ardoin said:
To be PIC, one must have either a current medical certificate or basicmed. To fly solo one must meet the requirements to fly as PIC. What am I missing here? I had a complicated medical certification and had over 170hrs dual before I could get my class 3 squared away. I was not able to fly solo until that happened.
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What you’re missing is the reference. Experience doesn’t count as a regulatory reference.

But @Lindberg provided it, so disregard.
 
robin ardoin said:
To be PIC, one must have either a current medical certificate or basicmed. To fly solo one must meet the requirements to fly as PIC. What am I missing here? I had a complicated medical certification and had over 170hrs dual before I could get my class 3 squared away. I was not able to fly solo until that happened.
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Was the airplane you were using able to be flown by a sport pilot in training?
 
Lindberg said:
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So you could probably meet the aeronautical experience requirements for a PPL in a light-sport aircraft, but not if you're an applicant for a PPL....
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It’s been a while since I IACRA’d, but isn’t that selection made after most, if not all the knowledge and experience requirements are met?
 
TCABM said:
It’s been a while since I IACRA’d, but isn’t that selection made after most, if not all the knowledge and experience requirements are met?
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I don't recall that choice being necessary before the written exam. At that point you have to pick one or the other, and that will lock down which checkride you take.
 
Mr.Awesome said:
So, without a medical, someone can do all the training and requirements for a PPL, all the way up to the DPE test, as they are operating under the Student Certificate.
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Nope. They would only be able to go up to the point of soloing. A 3rd Class Medical (or higher) is required to solo.

So no solo, no cross country, etc. They'd only be able to fly with a CFI and therefore would never progress anywhere near a signoff for a DPE Checkride.
 
Sport pilot came along long after i was flying for a living. Is there no solo requirements to be a certified sport pilot? I'm too lazy to look it up.
 
Mikey52 said:
Sport pilot came along long after i was flying for a living. Is there no solo requirements to be a certified sport pilot? I'm too lazy to look it up.
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The solo cross country is shorter 25 vs 50 nm.
But, yea, you have to solo.
No medical is required.
 
Bottom line, there’s a reg that requires it…
“ (3) Must hold at least a third-class medical certificate—

(i) When exercising the privileges of a private pilot certificate, recreational pilot certificate, or student pilot certificate, except when operating under the conditions and limitations set forth in § 61.113(i);”

Unless you’re a student seeking Sport Pilot privileges…
“ (1) A person must hold and possess either a medical certificate issued under part 67 of this chapter or a U.S. driver's license when—


(i) Exercising the privileges of a student pilot certificate while seeking sport pilot privileges in a light-sport aircraft other than a glider or balloon;”

At some point in the process of working towards a Private Pilot certificate, you have to have a medical certificate. At what point exactly one transitions to not being able to say, “I’m training for my Sport Pilot certificate,” is probably somewhat variable.
 
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