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So this Saturday I'm doing a combo flight review and check out of a Piper Archer.
My time has been in C172 so an Archer is new to me. I have no Idea if its a Archer 2 or Archer 3.
Manufacture date was 1978. Here is a the Tail Number 21605. I want to find the POH online but I want to make sure its for the right Model. I want to prepare by reading the POH.
Base on the Tail number how do I find the right POH?

Thanks.
 
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That's not the tail number or any serial that the N number database can pull up. Does the school have the POH available online or something? I'd call them
 
You have a six digit tail number?

1978 would be Archer III. Unlike Cessna, Pipers do not have a separate POH for every year. There is just one. So, your job is easy.

It's an easy checkout. Have fun.
 
MAKG1 said:
1978 would be Archer III.
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You might be thinking of the Arrow III.

The Archer III was introduced in the 1990s. His aircraft is surely an Archer II.
 
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Wahoo!!!! You're doing the Archer Checkout!!!!

They have 3 Archer III's and 2 Archer II's. I have flown all three of the Archer III's. That tail number you gave is not one of the Archer III's I have flown, so it must be one of the Archer II's. If I remember correctly, it is the green one. I have seen it on the ramp a couple of times. The flight instructor I went with mentioned that it is the fastest of the Archer's they have in the fleet there.

I didn't bother to try and look up the information beforehand because I didn't realize the POH's are all the same for Archer's from year to year. If you feel out their form ahead of time, and know what page to show the CFI the answer is on, it will go really fast. I had to look up all the answers in the book with the CFI there. That cost me a few extra bucks for the ground.

Over all, it was pretty easy. It's still an airplane, and it still flies. The biggest difference to me was just knowing the new speeds. The V speeds are all different. They are 'close', but they are different. I have been up four times in the Archer now. I've had a couple of really great landings, and a couple of decent landings and one or two 'meh...' landings.

One thing that I noticed after a couple of landings was the reduced site picture right before touch down. I noticed that whereas with the Cessna, I could see the sides of the runway in my peripheial vision, I don't see that with the low wing. It's not too big of a deal, but just something to be aware of. It is subtle, so don't worry about it too much.
 
Also, do a google image search for "Archer N21605" and you'll see what it looks like.
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You can't see the tail number in that picture, but that's it. I haven't flown it, but I've walked passed it half a dozen times now.
 
dmspilot said:
You might be thinking of the Arrow III.

The Archer III was introduced in the 1990s. His aircraft is surely an Archer II.
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Hmm, I thought the difference was taper vs. Hershey, and the '78 rather definitely has tapered wings.

I stand corrected.

The first time you step on the rudder while taxiing and it actually goes there, it's gonna **** you off. Cessnas just kinda think about going there. Maybe. One day.
 
The other thing I noticed was that it took much more right rudder while climbing after takeoff to keep it pointed straight. I am guessing that is because of the 20 extra HP over the 172. Again, this wasn't a big deal, just something I noticed.
 
azpilot said:
The other thing I noticed was that it took much more right rudder while climbing after takeoff to keep it pointed straight. I am guessing that is because of the 20 extra HP over the 172. Again, this wasn't a big deal, just something I noticed.
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Depends on the 172. Some of them have 180 HP O-360s (and IO-360s), too.

If you want a ton of right rudder, try a 182.
 
MAKG1 said:
Not sure what you're saying. A PA28-181 is synonymous with an Archer, and they usually come with O-360s.
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saying the tail number posted goes to a PA28-181 with a o 360 listed as its engine :)
 
MAKG1 said:
Depends on the 172. Some of them have 180 HP O-360s (and IO-360s), too.

If you want a ton of right rudder, try a 182.
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I hear ya.

Evapilot and I flew at the same fbo before it closed. The 172's we flew were the 160 hp variety. There was one with a 180 hp stc, but it still didn't take as much right rudder as the archer at the new place.

I'd love to graduate to a 182 someday.
 
Something to check....

Most (maybe all) PA28s have rudder trim. Maybe it was off to the left?

I haven't noticed any particularly strong rudder pressure on an Archer, though it's been about three months since I've flown one.
 
MAKG1 said:
Something to check....

Most (maybe all) PA28s have rudder trim. Maybe it was off to the left?

I haven't noticed any particularly strong rudder pressure on an Archer, though it's been about three months since I've flown one.
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Yes, it has rudder trim.

I only noticed it while climbing, so I don't think it has anything to do with the trim. But to be honest, I don't have a lot of experience flying other airplanes. The only recent experience I have is the 172 and the Archer.
 
The archer is a nice airplane,faster than a 172. Requires more rudder on take off. If your competent in a 172 ,won't take much for you to be comfortable in the Archer.
 
The first year of for the taperwing on the Archer was 1976 with the Archer II, the Archer III was introduced in 1994(as a '95 model). There is rudder trim. It's a knob on the lower right of the center console below the instrument panel.

If you're used to a 160HP 172, you will notice the need for a little more right rudder on takeoff. Pitch attitude might seem unusually steep in a Vx climb.

Have fun, they're easy to fly. The visibility in all directions is much better except straight down. I think they are easy to land. The struts are more forgiving than the springy cessna gear.
 
evapilotaz said:
I hope I like flying a low wing.
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It'll be fun! You'll like it! You can actually see where you're going, and have a pretty up obstructed view of the airspace ahead of you. PLUS, you can see the runway in the pattern, and see the runway while turning to judge your bank and when to level off . . .

Low wing planes are cool. Even most twins and jets are low wing . . . .
 
Hank S said:
It'll be fun! You'll like it! You can actually see where you're going, and have a pretty up obstructed view of the airspace ahead of you. PLUS, you can see the runway in the pattern, and see the runway while turning to judge your bank and when to level off . . .

Low wing planes are cool. Even most twins and jets are low wing . . . .
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Passenger jets are low wing with engines under the wing (usually) because it's quieter. Cargo-only jets tend to have high wings and real short gear, because it's easier to load that way. You can't even see the wings from the flight deck. It has nothing to do with visibility.
 
Never flown anything where you cannot see the wings. That would feel Strange. Maybe they should add big side mirrors to Airlines like Truckers have on their big rigs. LOL.
 
evapilotaz said:
Never flown anything where you cannot see the wings. That would feel Strange. Maybe they should add big side mirrors to Airlines like Truckers have on their big rigs. LOL.
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Easy. Just roll the window down and stick your head out. :D
 
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