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Ok so it was 2 am this morning and I happened to wake up and see some tv show called Reposessions or something like that. I just so happened to wake up and see that some guys were repoing an airplane. How does one do that? I do not know if these guys had keys or what not.
 
HPNFlyGirl said:
Ok so it was 2 am this morning and I happened to wake up and see some tv show called Reposessions or something like that. I just so happened to wake up and see that some guys were repoing an airplane. How does one do that? I do not know if these guys had keys or what not.

I saw that. I guess they get duplicate keys ordered or make them up with a key machine on site.

The more interesting thing on that show is "pilot friend" has to fly off in an unfamiliar aircraft as soon as possible, and in this case it was a "homebuilt" Glasair. He reads over the paperwork and pre-flights as the repo guy goes nuts because he wants the plane to be *gone.* The pilot would like it be gone *in one piece.* :rolleyes:
 
What a job. On the 152 that I fly, a screwdriver works as well as the key.
 
It's not like there are a lot of different aircraft keys out there...
 
wsuffa said:
It's not like there are a lot of different aircraft keys out there...
Let's see, there's round, square and oval. That makes 3.

A tech at the avionics shop where I used to base my Mooney found that the key to his toolbox would open just about every airplane on the field at Smyrna, TN.
 
You have keys for your planes??
 
Ken Ibold said:
Let's see, there's round, square and oval. That makes 3.

A tech at the avionics shop where I used to base my Mooney found that the key to his toolbox would open just about every airplane on the field at Smyrna, TN.

My file cabinet key is the same as my luggage and door key on my plane. Handy!
 
Ken Ibold said:
Let's see, there's round, square and oval. That makes 3.

A tech at the avionics shop where I used to base my Mooney found that the key to his toolbox would open just about every airplane on the field at Smyrna, TN.

That's because about every pin lock ever made has all of the pins permanently stuck in the unlock position. If it doesn't work with a twist of the wrist just jiggle the key the key a bit and try again.

I can open and lock my Mom's front storm door and any random lock on my plane with the first key I grabbed.

When he got locked out, I was able to open my neighbor's back door (as he watched) with the jiggle technique using a random key that happend to fit the keyway.

I locked my plane in a buddy's hangar. When I departed, I went in, hit the opener for the door and as the light came in, looked back at what wasn't MY plane! I had opened the neighbor's hangar with the same key.
 
HPNFlyGirl said:
Ok so it was 2 am this morning and I happened to wake up and see some tv show called Reposessions or something like that. I just so happened to wake up and see that some guys were repoing an airplane. How does one do that? I do not know if these guys had keys or what not.

I remember seeing a show like that... the entire time the repo guy is hoping that the (now ex-)owner doesn't show up while the pilot is calmly going through the paces of preflight and such. They also get concerned when it looks like some friends of the (ex-)owner notice them around his (former) aircraft. Pretty pulse quickening stuff, but the pilot didn't cut any corners for his impatient boss.
 
I was fueling up at KDTO a couple of years ago and started talking to some guy filling a Cessna at the pumps. Turns out he and the guy with him were "airplane repo men" for Cessna I believe. Pretty interesting job, they really enjoyed it. It would be a little scary at times though...not knowing anything at all about the maintenence on the plane.
 
Generally the "repo man" is not a pilot - he goes and locates the aircraft, and does the necessary legwork to get access to it, such as getting backup keys made, etc. Then he hires a pilot to fly it away.

In more valuable airplanes, the lendor (usually the Lessor) will already have keys etc, and will generally get the help of the local sherriff in the US to keep the airplane on the ground and provide safe escort to the crew that flies the airplane away. There's some value threshold I believe that makes it easy for a lienholder/lessor to get law enforcement involved. Jets usually meet the requirement and probably new Cessna's/Cirrus/Mooney do too. That $40,000 1960s airplane probably doesn't.

I know that International Finance Lease Corp (IFLC) has a group of pilots who do this work exclusively, they go pick up the pieces and bring back the boeings or RJs when a carrier goes bankrupt. I wonder if the former independence air pilots got any freelance work taking the planes out to a storage facility?
 
TMetzinger said:
I wonder if the former independence air pilots got any freelance work taking the planes out to a storage facility?

I know that when I worked for Midway Airlines some pilots would ferry the planes elsewhere. It was a lot of fun to watch a CRJ taking off like a rocket. I bet the pilots had fun flying them when they had the chance to fly them like that.
 
TMetzinger said:
There's some value threshold I believe that makes it easy for a lienholder/lessor to get law enforcement involved. Jets usually meet the requirement and probably new Cessna's/Cirrus/Mooney do too. That $40,000 1960s airplane probably doesn't.

How does the average repo pilot without police escort deal with the owner or owners hangar neighbor sticking a cannon in their face and asking "Just who the *#$@ do you think you are what do you think you're doing breaking into Jeff's plane?"

I guess I'm cheeken. This is one job I'd pass on excluding only very specific circumstances. Getting shot or jumping into an airplane that was possibly sabotaged by the disgruntled owner just doesn't sound like any fun.
 
HPNFlyGirl said:
I know that when I worked for Midway Airlines some pilots would ferry the planes elsewhere. It was a lot of fun to watch a CRJ taking off like a rocket. I bet the pilots had fun flying them when they had the chance to fly them like that.

I'd bet they stay well within the operating envelop after the accident last year where the crew was ferrying an empty RJ.

Len
 
fgcason said:
How does the average repo pilot without police escort deal with the owner or owners hangar neighbor sticking a cannon in their face and asking "Just who the *#$@ do you think you are what do you think you're doing breaking into Jeff's plane?"

I guess I'm cheeken. This is one job I'd pass on excluding only very specific circumstances. Getting shot or jumping into an airplane that was possibly sabotaged by the disgruntled owner just doesn't sound like any fun.

I've done ONE (1) repo flight, and it was a non-issue. The repo man (in WV) had found the airplane, hired me, and had a posse of his folks there. The former owner of the airplane did show up, the repo man met with him, showed him the paperwork, reminded him that messing around was a FEDERAL offense (doing anything to hamper a safe flight is federal) and asked if he wanted to be cool or should we call the FBI? The guy not only decided to be cool, he turned over the keys and the logs, and got his stuff out. I completed my pre-flight, and flew the airplane (a 182) to PA, where a broker was waiting to resell it. I made a whopping $100 plus expenses, since there was less then four hours flight time involved.

There may be some folks who do the repo work AND the flying, but I think they are few and far between. In general, people who buy planes and get them repo'd are in a different class then the folks you see on TV who don't make their payments on their cars.
 
mikea said:
That's because about every pin lock ever made has all of the pins permanently stuck in the unlock position. If it doesn't work with a twist of the wrist just jiggle the key the key a bit and try again.

I accidentally left the hangar and plane keys in my other coat pocket when I went to test fly the plane tonight. Fortunately I can open the hangar door with the GDO in my car and the key to my toolbox operates the master switch in the plane about as well as the regular key.
 
lancefisher said:
I accidentally left the hangar and plane keys in my other coat pocket when I went to test fly the plane tonight. Fortunately I can open the hangar door with the GDO in my car and the key to my toolbox operates the master switch in the plane about as well as the regular key.
TLA Alert... the GDO? uhhh, never mind ... got it...
 
wsuffa said:
It's not like there are a lot of different aircraft keys out there...

One time I was paid to ferry a C172 between a small airport outside Atlanta and Frederick, MD. I arrived at the FBO in Atlanta to be told that the owner called trying to reach me, contrary to promises the keys aren't under the passenger side floor mat and the aircraft doors aren't unlocked--the keys are in MD.

Every shop has their version of the abandoned key coffee can, shoebox, whatever--the container into which the shop tosses abandoned keys belonging to aircraft they no longer service.

That cold and windy morning I wandered into the local shop and asked to borrow their abandoned key collection, which, at this shop was a large shoebox full of keys. I wandered outside, up ended the contents of the shoebox onto the tarmac, and started trying keys one by one on the aircraft's door lock, dropping each unsuccessful key into the empty shoebox one at a time.

The third key opened the door.
 
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HPNFlyGirl said:
Ok so it was 2 am this morning and I happened to wake up and see some tv show called Reposessions or something like that. I just so happened to wake up and see that some guys were repoing an airplane. How does one do that? I do not know if these guys had keys or what not.

I can walk on to nearly any airport with a box of 30 keys and leave with most any plane there, that's the way I used to work it. Most repos are voluntary though and the owner hands me the keys. I'm in a couple of those shows, most of it is made interesting at the request of the film crew.
 
Henning said:
I can walk on to nearly any airport with a box of 30 keys and leave with most any plane there, that's the way I used to work it. Most repos are voluntary though and the owner hands me the keys. I'm in a couple of those shows, most of it is made interesting at the request of the film crew.
I've seen that tv repo several times and each time I thought someone is watching and saying, See there, Martha, aprt security is a sham, anybody can just walk up and take off.
 
Ed Guthrie said:
One time I was paid to ferry a C172 between a small airport outside Atlanta and Frederick, MD. I arrived at the FBO in Atlanta to be told that the owner called trying to reach me, contrary to promises the keys aren't under the passenger side floor mat and the aircraft doors aren't unlocked--the keys are in MD.

Every shop has their version of the abandoned key coffee can, shoebox, whatever--the container into which the shop tosses abandoned keys belonging to aircraft they no longer service.

That cold and windy morning I wandered into the local shop and asked to borrow their abandoned key collection, which, at this shop was a large shoebox full of keys. I wandered outside, up ended the contents of the shoebox onto the tarmac, and started trying keys one by one on the aircraft's door lock, dropping each unsuccessful key into the empty shoebox one at a time.

The third key opened the door.
So the last key was really the third key only you got lucky and beat the odds. Or was it your superior knowledge?:)
 
Richard said:
I've seen that tv repo several times and each time I thought someone is watching and saying, See there, Martha, aprt security is a sham, anybody can just walk up and take off.

And they would be 100% correct. I've never been stopped or questioned and yes, I was doing it post 9/11, and some were done let's just say...surreptitiosly. Others I just walked in handed the FBO where the plane was kept my card and faxed copies of papers from the bank and they rolled the plane out for me.
 
Richard said:
So the last key was really the third key only you got lucky and beat the odds. Or was it your superior knowledge?:)

More like crappy locks...
 
Henning said:
More like crappy locks...
The probablility is not that one and only one key in the box, just happening to be the 3rd key tried, opened the locks. The reality is every 3rd key may have done the trick!
 
gkainz said:
The probablility is not that one and only one key in the box, just happening to be the 3rd key tried, opened the locks. The reality is every 3rd key may have done the trick!
What is the probability of that? Who knows because no one continues to try the other keys after the first key working key is found.
 
Richard said:
What is the probability of that? Who knows because no one continues to try the other keys after the first key working key is found.

You gotta figure that if the key that came with my toolbox operates the locks on the plane, then nearly any key that fits will. Either the first two keys that Ed tried were too wrongly shaped to go inside the lock or he was actually unlucky that the third was the first to work.
 
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