Jmcmanna
Pre-takeoff checklist
Tonight's date night, so I am going to fly my wife to Schaumburg and have dinner. I've never been to 06C before. Any tips with regards to getting in and out? What is the parking situation?
Is the noise abatement to the west new? I was in there last month in the R44 and took off on 29, but just cannot recall seeing anything about that. I may not have even been looking so could have missed it.Depending what time - You may have already left - The FBO may be closed. There's a gate on the East side of the terminal building/hangar with the code on the inside. After dinner, you'll almost certainly need to get back in via that gate, so take down the code.
Park along the line right in front of the piece of the terminal building that comes out toward the ramp in a semicircle. It's marked on the ramp but kind of hard to read.
Stay out of the Bravo - TPA is 800 AGL.
There's a noise abatement procedure on departures to the west. It's on a sign on the taxiway going to 29. Straight out to 1400 MSL IIRC.
Enjoy - It's a great place! Where in Southern WI are you coming from? Lakeshore is definitely a good side trip too, just watch out for the new arrival into MDW if they're landing on the 22's.
Not seeing the western procedure on the village's website http://www.ci.schaumburg.il.us/TRANS/Airport1/Pages/NoiseAbatement.aspxWhen departing Runway 11 – Fixed Wing
Fly runway heading upwind
When safe to do so, sidestep to the right
Follow railroad tracks and extend upwind to Medinah Road
Turn left crosswind to Elgin-O’Hare Expressway
Turn downwind and follow Elgin-O’Hare Expressway back to the airport
Depending what time - You may have already left - The FBO may be closed. There's a gate on the East side of the terminal building/hangar with the code on the inside. After dinner, you'll almost certainly need to get back in via that gate, so take down the code.
Park along the line right in front of the piece of the terminal building that comes out toward the ramp in a semicircle. It's marked on the ramp but kind of hard to read.
Stay out of the Bravo - TPA is 800 AGL.
There's a noise abatement procedure on departures to the west. It's on a sign on the taxiway going to 29. Straight out to 1400 MSL IIRC.
Enjoy - It's a great place! Where in Southern WI are you coming from? Lakeshore is definitely a good side trip too, just watch out for the new arrival into MDW if they're landing on the 22's.
Is the noise abatement to the west new? I was in there last month in the R44 and took off on 29, but just cannot recall seeing anything about that. I may not have even been looking so could have missed it.
I know about the one to the east.
Not seeing the western procedure on the village's website http://www.ci.schaumburg.il.us/TRANS/Airport1/Pages/NoiseAbatement.aspx
I'm a Chicago Approach controller
The RNAV approaches will have aircraft down at 3000 over the lake, and they'll cross the shoreline at about 2500' inbound to MDW. The MDW Charlie airspace doesn't protect for this new approach, so while you're perfectly legal to be there, I would strongly advise descending to 2000 or below as soon as you're north of GYY.
Don't climb above that until you're due east of downtown. Consider getting flight following on 128.2 as you go north up the lakeshore (120.55 from the north going south).
Staying above the arrival would be better, but 3000 puts you in the Bravo airspace and it would be impossible to maintain the required class B separation with ORD arrivals just north of the MDW approaches. If you want to do the shoreline, lower is the only practical way to go.
118.4 is gone forever. 128.2 replaced 118.4 almost 2 years ago. Detroit approach uses 118.4 and if conditions were right, pilots coming to MDW would hear the pilots in Detroit and vice versa.
I have been here about 5 years. I always answer calls for flight following....ONE time I told an aircraft to call back in 10 minutes because I had way too many airplanes already. I think most of the younger controllers are pretty accommodating ... Some of the older controllers, not so much....but then again, some are.
One more thing to consider....the approach crosses the shoreline right where the bravo goes from 3000 to 3600. South of that is the downwind. The traffic will cross the 31C extended centerline at 4000, then descend to 3000. 3000-3500 will put you right in the middle of the traffic pattern until you're 5 miles south of the final approach course.
Nope, been there as long as I've been flying there (several years at least).
Try the A/FD: "Rwy 29 preferred ray in calm and direct crosswinds. Dep acft fly ray heading to 1400' MSL before starting crosswind turn."
The sign is to the left of the taxiway as you're just making the turn towards runway 29.
I'm normally a good half mile off shore - Gotta stay away from the buildings, ya know, and still plenty of altitude to be on dry land if something happens - so it looks like it would be possible to get above...
Otherwise, it's a matter of hugging the shoreline, being below 1400 MSL, and betting my life that the vortices won't drop 1000 feet. In fact, their new AC on the subject now not only acknowledges that vortices can drop more than 1000 feet below the generating aircraft, they can also bounce up and rise in some air masses.
Looks like the best thing in this case may be to just stay the hell away from the shoreline route when they're using the new arrival... Sigh.
It may be possible to get to 3500 before the final approach course...but then you'll be in a worse spot in 4 miles...all the traffic from the west for MDW will be at 4000, descending to 3000. You would have to be 25 miles east of the shoreline to remain outside of the arrival streams for MDW. Traffic from GERMN will be at 4000 or above descending to 3000 once past GYY. MDW arrivals can be anywhere between 3000 and 4000 anywhere east of MDW and north of GYY.
If the mission is to fly by downtown in the lakeshore, down low is the only practical option, seriously. During a rush, there might be 10 or 12 airplanes east and south of MDW moving between 170 and 250 knots, between 3000 and 6000 feet. There is nowhere above 3000 in that area where there aren't routinely airliners flying around.
Go to flight aware on a 22L day and watch the moving map. It's not up-to-the-minute, but it gives a general idea of where the airplanes come in from the west, south of MDW at 4000' and descend to 3000' anywhere between the shoreline and 20 miles off shore.
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This is the 2nd half of the ENDEE arrival with the RNAV-Z 22L approach....expect aircraft on the blue line anywhere between 3000 and 4000.