patriot act

And where is the ACLU in all this? I would have expected them to jump at the opportunity to fight the Patriot Act in every court venue available.
 
Palmpilot said:
The boy pled guilty two years ago to calling in hoax bomb threats, and was sentenced to the 22 months time served, plus three years of supervised release.
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After being held for 22 months, and being offered a deal for time served, I suspect his reason for pleading guilty had more to do with getting out than guilt.
 
Steve Foley said:
After being held for 22 months, and being offered a deal for time served, I suspect his reason for pleading guilty had more to do with getting out than guilt.
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I'd bet you are closer to the truth than most.

the point is, the Patriot act took away one of your basic rights under the constitution and it seems no one cares.
 
She said that she only had limited access to her son. She also said the FBI had him in custody. She is lucky. Under the patriot act, our government did not have to tell her anything about who had him, what for, or provide any access to him at all. It is no different from living in any banana republic.

I think the thing I find most offensive about the whole thing is the name they gave the act itself. That act is the exact opposite of patriotism in this country. An even bigger insult is most all Americans accepted it without so much as a whimper.

It proves that this country is ripe for the picking of any despot administration that might come into power.

Scary stuff.

-John
 
Steve Foley said:
After being held for 22 months, and being offered a deal for time served, I suspect his reason for pleading guilty had more to do with getting out than guilt.
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I suspect you're just guessing.
 
Tom-D said:
Seeing as the feds signed it off as time served and turned him loose I doubt they had much of a case.
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Another possibility is that they could have signed off on it because the time served was more than people usually get for that type of crime. That's what the judge said, anyway. (See the newspaper article at my second link.)

The article also discussed a possible reason why it took that long to bring the case to completion:

Although one of his lawyers died, Lundeby had a hand in delaying his case.

Soon after his arrest, he insisted on representing himself for a time because his mother could not get along with the lawyers originally appointed to represent him.
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I'm not getting the feeling that we can necessarily rely on everything the mother said. At best it was only one side of the story.
 
Tom-D said:
the point is, the Patriot act took away one of your basic rights under the constitution and it seems no one cares.
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There are definitely serious problems with the Patriot Act. The ACLU has a laundry list:

http://www.aclu.org/reform-patriot-act

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech-national-security-technology-and-liberty/reform-patriot-act-primer

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech-nat...nd-liberty/reform-patriot-act-myths-realities

http://www.aclu.org/national-security/surveillance-under-patriot-act
 
Getting a "confession" out of a 16 year old kid can not be all that much of a problem, even if they didn't have much of a case. Did the kid even have legal representation?

All they had to tell the kid is that they can hold him for the rest of his life if they wanted, however, "by cooperating and signing this little confession, you could be home in your own bed in a few days." "Take your pick kid."

The kid gets to go home, the bureaucrats save face. It's what America is all about.

-John
 
Palmpilot said:
There are definitely serious problems with the Patriot Act. The ACLU has a laundry list:
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So, they are against it, so, where are we with any success with getting it repealed?


nowheres
 
Palmpilot said:
Sounds like a good reason to use an ISP that provides dynamic IP addressing.
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Doesn't matter. Most will still route anything in the appropriate network block for the neighborhood. Some will route their entire public space from any neighborhood.
 
Tom-D said:
I'd bet you are closer to the truth than most.

the point is, the Patriot act took away one of your basic rights under the constitution and it seems no one cares.
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The Patriot Act was so named to use it against TERRORISTS. It has been used to justify nearly every breach of civil liberties since that day. No one wants to challenge it in the government because "It works for them.". No one outside the government wants to challenge it for fear of being named "unpatriotic".
So far, anyone with enough money hasn't been threatened. Anyone less than thoroughly rich and connected has zero chance challenging it and certainly not from within the US.
It is BULL but we are stuck with it.
 
John Baker said:
Getting a "confession" out of a 16 year old kid can not be all that much of a problem, even if they didn't have much of a case.
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Then how come he didn't confess for nearly two years?

Did the kid even have legal representation?

All they had to tell the kid is that they can hold him for the rest of his life if they wanted, however, "by cooperating and signing this little confession, you could be home in your own bed in a few days." "Take your pick kid."

The kid gets to go home, the bureaucrats save face. It's what America is all about.
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According to the news article, he was indicted by a grand jury and he was provided with lawyers, but he insisted on representing himself for a while. (See post #14.) It sounds like he went back to using an attorney after that. None of that sounds much like Gitmo to me.

If I could find some confirmation of his mother's claims from an independent source, I would be inclined to take her statements to the TV station more seriously. :dunno:
 
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Tom-D said:
So, they are against it, so, where are we with any success with getting it repealed?


nowheres
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Write your Congress person. ACLU can and has brought cases, but if the courts don't see things their way, then there's not much they can do about it other than public education.
 
denverpilot said:
Doesn't matter. Most will still route anything in the appropriate network block for the neighborhood. Some will route their entire public space from any neighborhood.
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I have personally confirmed that I don't have the same IP address all the time.
 
denverpilot said:
Right, but that doesn't mean someone else isn't using it when you're not. Two completely different things.
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That's what I'm saying. The fact that whatever IP address they traced a crime to could have been (and often is) in use by someone else is to my benefit. If an IP address doesn't uniquely identify me, that means that if someone spoofed it, it could not be used to falsely incriminate me for something I didn't do. All it would do is imply that I was one of X number of people who might have had that IP address at the time of the crime.
 
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