woodstock
Final Approach
could someone refresh my memory why this is dangerous? I remember a mid-air over one in OH a year or so ago, a very popular owner of a site like this one died. is it because many folks use it as a way point, or what?
woodstock said:ok, what I thought then- the person I'm flying with wants me to use that as our first waypoint which is a little too far west as well as the fact I don't like overflying them.
I'll just go off of one radial and then head south.
Seems to me, everybody missed the point. They're dangerous because lots of IFR traffic converges over them. And the Victor airways go from VOR to VOR.woodstock said:could someone refresh my memory why this is dangerous? I remember a mid-air over one in OH a year or so ago, a very popular owner of a site like this one died. is it because many folks use it as a way point, or what?
woodstock said:thanks everyonefor the replies.
Kaye - LDN.
woodstock said:could someone refresh my memory why this is dangerous? I remember a mid-air over one in OH a year or so ago, a very popular owner of a site like this one died. is it because many folks use it as a way point, or what?
Kaye said:Why LDN?
woodstock said:could someone refresh my memory why this is dangerous? I remember a mid-air over one in OH a year or so ago, a very popular owner of a site like this one died. is it because many folks use it as a way point, or what?
woodstock said:Kaye and Scott - I don't know? I would pick Middleburg or something outside the 1500 foot ring and then head south. Getting out isn't the problem - the 1500 foot ring is.
I'm going to pick two waypoints and give them both to her.
I think she is hoping she will be able to pick up IFR immediately from JYO and then head down from there... in which case our flight plans are just for practice.
woodstock said:Kinda like a bug zapper? attract the little planes, let them hover, and then ZAP! unless they run into each other first.
RotaryWingBob said:Seems to me, everybody missed the point. They're dangerous because lots of IFR traffic converges over them. And the Victor airways go from VOR to VOR.
TMetzinger said:I don't understand this... IFR traffic flies at different altitudes, so unless an airplane is at the wrong altitude it's not the IFR traffic a VFR pilot should be worried about, it's the VFR traffic that is also flying VOR to VOR.
One note inspired by this thread, it's best to be in level flight at the appropriate altitude when crossing a VOR, not climbing or descending. This should eliminate the threat of the airplanes flying under different rules (IFR for instance) than you.
Anthony said:Do you want to rely on 500 feet of seperation? What if your altimeter is off a few hundred feet and the other plane's is off a few hundred feet?
Anthony said:Do you want to rely on 500 feet of seperation? What if your altimeter is off a few hundred feet and the other plane's is off a few hundred feet?
TMetzinger said:Oh yeah - I rely on 500 feet of separation all the time when I'm operating IFR (from the VFR guys), why would it be any worse when I'm operating VFR looking out for IFR guys?
Don't misunderstand me - I agree that overflying a VOR can increase collision risk. I just think you worry about the folks at the same altitude as you first before being concerned about the traffic above or below you.
smigaldi said:Some people will pick a couple of hundred feet above them for the reason of giving themselves a cushion.
14 CFR 91.159 said:§ 91.159 VFR cruising altitude or flight level.
Except while holding in a holding pattern of 2 minutes or less, or while turning, each person operating an aircraft under VFR in level cruising flight more than 3,000 feet above the surface shall maintain the appropriate altitude or flight level prescribed below, unless otherwise authorized by ATC:
(a) When operating below 18,000 feet MSL and—
(1) On a magnetic course of zero degrees through 179 degrees, any odd thousand foot MSL altitude +500 feet (such as 3,500, 5,500, or 7,500); or
(2) On a magnetic course of 180 degrees through 359 degrees, any even thousand foot MSL altitude +500 feet (such as 4,500, 6,500, or 8,500).
woodstock said:east is least, west is best. (also works for compasses too)
Chip Sylverne said:Easterners are odd.
woodstock said:ok, what I thought then- the person I'm flying with wants me to use that as our first waypoint which is a little too far west as well as the fact I don't like overflying them.
I'll just go off of one radial and then head south.