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Hello,
I just wanted to get some opinions from users of online scheduling as I am going to implement this very soon at the rental operation that have. So far flightschedulepro is a front runner for the scheduling service that I am looking at selecting but I am a novice at this sort of thing. What do you think is the best online scheduling service?

Thanks
Clay
 
The place I rent from uses myFBO. It's decent...a little cumbersome as there are about 900 different ways of viewing the same thing, but once you get used to it, it seems like a pretty decent system. It's the only one I've ever used, though, so I can't tell you how it compares to anything.
 
Hello,
I just wanted to get some opinions from users of online scheduling as I am going to implement this very soon at the rental operation that have. So far flightschedulepro is a front runner for the scheduling service that I am looking at selecting but I am a novice at this sort of thing. What do you think is the best online scheduling service?

Thanks
Clay

Woo Hoo!!!! :D:D:D
 
We use flightschedulepro. It's the only one i've used, but it's not too shabby. Not really sure how it compares to others, but once it is configured it is pretty easy to use.
 
Hello,
I just wanted to get some opinions from users of online scheduling as I am going to implement this very soon at the rental operation that have. So far flightschedulepro is a front runner for the scheduling service that I am looking at selecting but I am a novice at this sort of thing. What do you think is the best online scheduling service?

I have yet to see anyone do it better than aircraftclubs.com. Thankfully, my club uses that. I went to an FBO that used flightschedulepro (at least I'm pretty sure it was FSP) and HATED it. I couldn't even figure out how to see when the plane was reserved by *me*. It just said "reserved" whenever anyone had it. Blech.

One additional plus for aircraftclubs is that they also have a phone system so if you want to make/change a reservation when you're already at the airport, or en route, or away from an internet connection and a computer for any reason (horrors!) you can still get things done.
 
We wrote our own for our school -- http://www.flycorona.com/schedule.asp -- took a few days, but then again, I'm a nerd. Since you sound "not too geeky" (forgive me if I misread that) -- I'd definitely say go for a hosted service. schedulepointe and myfbo are the common ones around here.

There's also a "900lb gorilla" version of this called TotalFBO -- it seems really combersome for what it is, but my home field's FBO uses it, and it seems good for technophobes.

The hosted ones seem to hover at around $30/mo. They all seem lifeless to me, sort of like enrolling for a community college extension course -- but they're functional and way better than those paper schedules. :D

$0.02

- Mike
 
Another Bravo Zulu for Schedulemaster- RFC Dallas uses it, and it works very, very well.

Includes robust features like tracking of pilot qualifications, etc., and the telephone interface is outstanding when you cannot get to a 'Net-connected 'puter.

It also has great reporting features, which are very useful when you forgot where/when you flew, etc.
 
Clay,

Oklahoma state university just implemented FlightSchedulePro a year ago and all I can say is its a HUGE advantage over the paper system. Everyone has the opportunity to see which aircraft is available at which time, who scheduled it, which instructors are scheduled, if aircraft are down due to mx or on checkrides. It helps tremendously in communication. The online system helps reduce confusion which can come from the paper system. I haven't had the opportunity to try many other scheduling websites, but this is the best one I've used.
 
Another Bravo Zulu for Schedulemaster- RFC Dallas uses it, and it works very, very well.

Includes robust features like tracking of pilot qualifications, etc., and the telephone interface is outstanding when you cannot get to a 'Net-connected 'puter.

I thought "Well, aircraftclubs.com does all that" but I decided to take a look at schedulemaster. Wow! The standard service level is a bit more expensive than aircraftclubs.com ($407 vs. $330 per year), but it appears to do a couple more things - "online statement" and squawk management.

Those of you who use ScheduleMaster, can you tell me how the "online statement" feature works? ("Manual Excel upload") That could be very useful to us.

There's also a "premium" level and premium + billing that would be really cool, but $$$$$. Almost twice as much. Adds online time entry and scheduled maintenance.

Looks really nice - And I was just about to pay for another year on aircraftclubs.com, but now I'm going to talk to the rest of the board about switching. :yes:
 
Kent, I'll tell you this much: the folks at RFC fretted and researched the matter to death, and settled on ScheduleMaster only after pretty exhaustive research. I believe that they have been very pleased with the results- I know the members have been.
 
Now if you can just get Silverhawk to quit busting your airplanes up...It'd be nice if they could be completely bypassed somehow :)


.....you might be in for a treat later this year!
 
Schedule Mater has been selected! thanks for everyone who replied...it can be had by web or phone and is "clean cut" and straight forward. Now I have to load everyone in there..thats gonna take a few days. Hope to go live on March 1st
 
Schedule Mater has been selected! thanks for everyone who replied...it can be had by web or phone and is "clean cut" and straight forward. Now I have to load everyone in there..thats gonna take a few days. Hope to go live on March 1st

Clay,

If you need any help with the technical stuff, feel free to let me know. I'd be happy to help. I'm sure Jesse would be as well.
 
Our club (Caltch/JPL Flying club) has one or two members that might be considered OCD nerds. They researched this extensively a while ago and chose ScheduleMaster.

However we don't use it for billing. Unless you have a dispatcher to record hobbs/tach time I don't see how it will work.

We have a little over 100 members in the club and it works pretty well.

Squawk Management is overstating the feature (assuming we are using it correctly). The way we have it set up any member can ground an airplane for up to 24 hrs. The maintenance director for that plane or any member of the board can extend or override it. We can attach comments to the plane or to the maintenance schedule.

In my mind a Squawk Management system would keep track of all squawks and their disposition.

We like ScheduleMaster and going from a paper schedule at the FBO (which cost about the same) to on-line increased our utilization about 30%, I believe. It was a 5-6 years ago and I forgot the exact number.

The telephone interface is a BIG plus. The most valuable to me is the ability to extend your schedule from an intermediate stop, or at least know you need to contact the next person.

We use it to store and validate dates for fight reveiw, medical and a club specific annual proficiency check. However we do not consider it secure enough to keep track of all the other personal information it allows.

Joe
 
I have only used flightschedulepro.com so I can compair it to the others. I like it sheduling on line is great. Nice to look online and see if the plane is booked or not.
 
Kent, I'll tell you this much: the folks at RFC fretted and researched the matter to death, and settled on ScheduleMaster only after pretty exhaustive research. I believe that they have been very pleased with the results- I know the members have been.

Y'see, we've been very happy with aircraftclubs.com too, and it's cheaper than the standard ScheduleMaster service. From a purely "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" point of view, this will be a hard sell! I certainly need to play around with it a bit and make sure we won't lose any functionality in the process.

Some things that aircraftclubs.com has that we use frequently that I don't yet know about on ScheduleMaster:

* Files section: Our bylaws, standard operating procedures, various avionics manuals, checklists, weight and balance spreadsheets, and billing statements are kept in the files section on aircraftclubs.com. It's probably one of our most frequently-used features, and if schedulemaster doesn't have it, it'll probably be a no-go right off the bat.

* Unlimited users: While it appears that schedulemaster is currently unlimited, they don't say they'll stay that way and already appear to have the ability to charge extra for more users if they so choose. We like having a couple of extra users - The FBO maintenance department can log in and create a maintenance reservation if something needs to be done to one of the planes, and the line department can read our schedule so they know which airplanes are supposed to fly on a given day and they can have them out of the hangar and on the line ready to go for us.

However we don't use it for billing. Unless you have a dispatcher to record hobbs/tach time I don't see how it will work.

Another thing I'll have to play with. Currently, members fill out flight cards and leave them at the airport. My assistant and I pick them up and enter them into a spreadsheet on Google Docs, and I do the billing from that. Can individual pilots enter their own times, or does there have to be only a single person doing that?

Squawk Management is overstating the feature (assuming we are using it correctly). The way we have it set up any member can ground an airplane for up to 24 hrs. The maintenance director for that plane or any member of the board can extend or override it. We can attach comments to the plane or to the maintenance schedule.

Well, considering that our current "system" involves the pilot calling the maintenance officer and nothing else, even that would be an improvement. I'd like to see squawks when they come in, and it'd be nice if the next pilot could look and see what squawks were there as well.

We like ScheduleMaster and going from a paper schedule at the FBO (which cost about the same) to on-line increased our utilization about 30%, I believe. It was a 5-6 years ago and I forgot the exact number.

The telephone interface is a BIG plus. The most valuable to me is the ability to extend your schedule from an intermediate stop, or at least know you need to contact the next person.

I don't think we'll see any increase because we're already online, in fact we may see a decrease at first until folks "find" the new one. (Yes I'll let them know, but old habits like typing "aircraftclubs" into the URL bar die hard...)

We have the phone interface on aircraftclubs too, but we keep talking about whether or not to keep it. It would almost cut the cost in half to get rid of it. I've used it, but I don't use it as much as I used to. The big advantage is that if someone gets back early, they can call from the ramp rather than waiting to get home.

We use it to store and validate dates for fight reveiw, medical and a club specific annual proficiency check.

Glad to hear it does that, we keep track of the exact same things on aircraftclubs.com.

However we do not consider it secure enough to keep track of all the other personal information it allows.

We just have phone numbers and email addresses so that club members can contact each other WRT reservations, flying together, etc.

Thanks for the insight... I need to go bang on it now and see if there's anything missing.
 
Kent, it sounds like what you all are using serves your needs well.
I agree and hope I didn't sound like a ScheduleMaster salesman. I just wanted to share our experience not recommend one way or the other.

As far as I know there is no files section like you describe. We do that with our website http://aacit.caltech.edu (in the members only section) and email our bills in pdf format.

I have to say "if it ain't broke" is a strong argument especially in a volunteer organization with limited budget.

Joe
 
Kent, it sounds like what you all are using serves your needs well.

I agree and hope I didn't sound like a ScheduleMaster salesman. I just wanted to share our experience not recommend one way or the other.

Oh, it works, kind of. The problem is that it appears that they haven't made any updates at least in the 4+ years I've been using aircraftclubs.com. There are some browser issues more recently. I use a combination of Safari and FireFox and I'm still able to make everything work with either one or the other, but that is seriously annoying and points to them not investing in improvements for the future.

As far as I know there is no files section like you describe. We do that with our website http://aacit.caltech.edu (in the members only section) and email our bills in pdf format.

Hmmm. That sucks. Not a huge deal (only a couple of us have access to add files), but...

I used to email the billing PDF, but I found that more and more, the messages were being rejected as spam (30 addresses in the BCC and an attachment, gee I wonder why...) so I stopped attaching the file to the email.

I have to say "if it ain't broke" is a strong argument especially in a volunteer organization with limited budget.

Well, we were paying our FBO $75/mo to monitor our tach times and alert us to upcoming maintenance (in addition to the $30 or so per month for aircraftclubs.com) and it appears that schedulemaster will do all of the above. We stopped the maintenance tracking service at the end of last year because it wasn't always being done properly.
 
Clay,

If you need any help with the technical stuff, feel free to let me know. I'd be happy to help. I'm sure Jesse would be as well.
Thanks Jason,
if I run into trouble which Im sure I will I will be sure to contact you as a really want this to go smoothly...thanks again man....
-clay
 
Perhaps it's time to start an open source collaboration to solve this correctly.

How much work could it be? (that is a joke)

Joe
 
Somebody already started it, Joe. Just take this and finish it out. :D

http://www.php.brickhost.com/
Jason,

That's the one my partners and I use to schedule our plane. We've used it for a year. It's not bad for scheduling airplanes but it was designed for doctor's exam rooms, I believe. I would not use it for the 100+ pilots we have in our flying club, no way.

I've poked around in the code without studying it and my general impression is that it's fairly well written. I would probably use it as example code and use snippets rather than build on it though.

I was only partly joking, because I don't really need another time sucking computer project that doesn't pay anything.

I do think that we have a lot of experienced people here with both partnership/club/FBO management and software development skills. So a good pre-design discussion would give us a chance to come up with something significantly better than what is out there.

I've got a busy next couple of days but it I think it would be worthwhile to start a thread on what a package might look like and what features it would need to be worth the effort.

Joe
 
So far, I've spent maybe 3 hours reading and experimenting.

My overall impression is that ScheduleMaster has a very full feature set, but the user interface SUUUUUUUUCKS. (Still better than FlightSchedule Pro though. :rofl:)

The display of the schedule is not easy on the eyes at all, things are seemingly scattered around the screen, and while there are some cool billing features that could save me some time and effort if they were done right, they are done in such a fashion that I'd have to pretty much write a program to shovel data back and forth. Oh, and lots of things use pop-up windows and other such nuisances.

They have a huge "knowledgebase" for FAQ's on how to use just about every feature, and there are some things that are really stupid. Like "What to do if you accidentally overwrite your maintenance user." Um, hello, you shouldn't allow users to be overwritten. And BTW, the recovery process is very much non-trivial and non-intuitive.

This really could be a great product, but the UI is in serious need of work. I'm pretty firmly on the fence now, I'm gonna wait to see what the maintenance officer thinks before I do anything.
 
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