Oklahoma Tornadoes

The MAIN reason I think like this is.......

A few years back Elizibeth Dole came to Jackson for a fund raiser for the Red Cross.. She was CEO back then. There are 10 commercial flights a day into Jackson Hole and they all have first class sections she could have rode in.. But did she.... NOPE... She showed up in the Red Cross's G-V...

From that day on I swore I would NEVER give another dime to any charity... :mad:

See, that's the problem you have any time you put people in charge of spending some one else's money. 'nuff siad.
 
My Prayers go to all the victims and those affected.
 
FEMA is more then a joke.... it is downright criminal..:mad::mad2:

I'm sure that the 80 members of Texas Task Force 1 White Team who deployed last night to OK, a FEMA urban search and rescue team, would disagree. So would the DMAT's that were activated.

Dont broad brush the whole thing...
 
I recall Xenia. Don't know if the tornadoes are worse, or there's just more for them to run into. I don't recall them being nearly this destructive in my youth.

Many tornados were worse because of no warning systems.
 
While attending the Mike Monroney Aeronautical Center in OKC we had to go underground a few times during tornado alarms.

The MMAC has a series of tunnels that connect the various buildings and there are routine drills to evacuate everyone to the tunnels.
 
I'm sure that the 80 members of Texas Task Force 1 White Team who deployed last night to OK, a FEMA urban search and rescue team, would disagree. So would the DMAT's that were activated.

Dont broad brush the whole thing...

Good point.. I will use one bristle to paint them in a good light.... The other 9546 bristles get to paint FEMA with a bright RED for failure..:mad::mad2:.

Remember Katrina, or Sandy or all the other completely botched operations they stuck their noses in..:dunno::rolleyes2:
 
Remember Katrina, or Sandy or all the other completely botched operations they stuck their noses in..:dunno::rolleyes2:

I remember those and the circle jerk that was FEMA after the four hurricanes hit Forida in about nine weeks, during the Summer of 2004.
 
There are a number of organizations who announce 100% of donations for particular events will go to the needy. (They pay their staff bills and other expenses with donations outside of the ones for the disaster.) Just look around a bit.

As far as the storms go... We are significantly below the number of tornadoes in the 1950's - 1970's throughout the Great Plains, but there's roughly twice as many people living there now, overall.

The storms today are generally slightly less frequent but more deadly. As a generality.

We're at the top of a solar cycle, so things will be busy again for a few years. (Roughly a 11-12 year cycle.)

I used to chase in the days before mobile data and Doppler.

All the videos from out in front of that monster make my hair on the back of my neck stand on end and my "Where's our escape route/road?" learned instincts from really old storm chasers who taught me, start screaming in the back of my head. "We need to get out of here, now."

There were unconfirmed reports of debris from that storm falling in Tulsa last night. Yeah, Tulsa.

Warning time for Moore was 16 minutes from the first confirmed on-the-ground warning to striking the outskirts of the town. That's an eternity in tornado warning timeframes. The problem is, with unconfirmed (last I checked) reports of the wall being a mile wide, there's nothing a storm that size won't flatten that's in the direct path. Shelter-in-place only works underground in the direct track.

Unbelievable power in that thing. Next time you're in your car on the highway, note the odometer ticking over and then imagine a tornado big enough to cover the next tick of the odometer. I did that for Karen yesterday when we were listening to early reports of 1/2 mile and counted off tenths of a mile at 55 MPH. She was floored.

Biggest I've personally seen was 1/4 mile wide and it was jaw dropping from a relatively safe distance. I truly hope never to see 1/2 mile and never ever wanted to see them plow into urban areas.

The NWS folks announced something I'd forgotten about this time that I haven't heard in years: The "debris ball" ahead of the tornado was visible on Doppler RADAR.

Good lord that's big.
 
the EF-3 that hit Wichita last year was showing debris on the radar screen. That was one way that the TV guys knew it was on the ground.
 
Our local weather guy was talking about this debris ball/radar imagery yesterday morning. He said there's a new type of radar that allows these debris balls to be more easily seen. He called it by name but I don't remember what it was.
 
Our TV guy showed a new feature as well. It's a magenta line (gasp!) that pinpoints the wind shift/gust line on the map. Kinda interesting yesterday since we were on the east side of it and waiting for the storm to move across the area.

Our local weather guy was talking about this debris ball/radar imagery yesterday morning. He said there's a new type of radar that allows these debris balls to be more easily seen. He called it by name but I don't remember what it was.
 
When the biggest problem that arises during the relief effort is all the volunteers getting in the way, you know you live in a good place. This state is so helpful and giving it astounds me. I have to brag on my hometown a bit. Yesterday, myself and 5 other local men took a big box van and parked it outside of Wal-Mart. Wally World usually doesn't allow that sort of thing, but they were all for it this time. Without any signs posted, without soliciting anyone for donations, and without being with any particular organization, the good people of this little town of about 2800 folks, filled that truck to the brim and all the way to the back. It was several tons. I checked with the Walmart manager and they sold about $20,000 more than average that day, and I'd wager that every bit of that and then some went into the back of that truck. There was probably 30K worth of supplies all together. Local churches, businesses, and individuals came out in droves and made it happen. It was very touching to see how our neighbors gave so much without even being asked or solicited. We didn't take it to Moore, OK. There are other, more rural areas that sustained a lot of damage who weren't getting any supplies. The big charities had left them high and dry thus far. We took it to the towns of Carney and Wellston. It was tough, yet heart warming to see the tears of appreciation stream from the people of those communities when we raised the door on that truck and started hauling out pallets of supplies. It was bitter sweet. I hate so bad that so many of our neighbors are hurting, but it warms the soul to see the outpouring of gifts, volunteers, medical care, and all the other things people are providing for those in need. These are good people here. Thanks.
 
When the biggest problem that arises during the relief effort is all the volunteers getting in the way, you know you live in a good place. This state is so helpful and giving it astounds me. I have to brag on my hometown a bit. Yesterday, myself and 5 other local men took a big box van and parked it outside of Wal-Mart. Wally World usually doesn't allow that sort of thing, but they were all for it this time. Without any signs posted, without soliciting anyone for donations, and without being with any particular organization, the good people of this little town of about 2800 folks, filled that truck to the brim and all the way to the back. It was several tons. I checked with the Walmart manager and they sold about $20,000 more than average that day, and I'd wager that every bit of that and then some went into the back of that truck. There was probably 30K worth of supplies all together. Local churches, businesses, and individuals came out in droves and made it happen. It was very touching to see how our neighbors gave so much without even being asked or solicited. We didn't take it to Moore, OK. There are other, more rural areas that sustained a lot of damage who weren't getting any supplies. The big charities had left them high and dry thus far. We took it to the towns of Carney and Wellston. It was tough, yet heart warming to see the tears of appreciation stream from the people of those communities when we raised the door on that truck and started hauling out pallets of supplies. It was bitter sweet. I hate so bad that so many of our neighbors are hurting, but it warms the soul to see the outpouring of gifts, volunteers, medical care, and all the other things people are providing for those in need. These are good people here. Thanks.

Congrats to you and your gang...:thumbsup::cheers:
 
Our local weather guy was talking about this debris ball/radar imagery yesterday morning. He said there's a new type of radar that allows these debris balls to be more easily seen. He called it by name but I don't remember what it was.

You're thinking of dual-polarization radar. All NWS sites are now upgraded with this technology. It scans in two different polarizations - horizontal and vertical - and thus can determine the shape of objects seen by the radar and also the size (older technology just determines the reflectivity, so lots of small objects look similar to fewer large objects, like hail). The app someone else posted a screenshot of is capable of displaying dual-pol data but the particular screenshot just shows conventional reflectivity data. Debris in a tornado is distinctive in dual-pol radar view because it has poor correlation between objects seen by the radar and also an irregular shape.

Dual-pol technology is extremely cool. Some of the other applications include distinguishing hail from heavy rain, distinguishing biological targets from precipitation, determining where and at what altitude frozen precipitation is melting or vice version. I cannot do it justice. Search google for Dual-pol radar and read up! The technology has big impacts for weather research and forecasting for aviation too such as determining icing layers.
 
You're thinking of dual-polarization radar. All NWS sites are now upgraded with this technology. It scans in two different polarizations - horizontal and vertical - and thus can determine the shape of objects seen by the radar and also the size (older technology just determines the reflectivity, so lots of small objects look similar to fewer large objects, like hail). The app someone else posted a screenshot of is capable of displaying dual-pol data but the particular screenshot just shows conventional reflectivity data. Debris in a tornado is distinctive in dual-pol radar view because it has poor correlation between objects seen by the radar and also an irregular shape.

Dual-pol technology is extremely cool. Some of the other applications include distinguishing hail from heavy rain, distinguishing biological targets from precipitation, determining where and at what altitude frozen precipitation is melting or vice version. I cannot do it justice. Search google for Dual-pol radar and read up! The technology has big impacts for weather research and forecasting for aviation too such as determining icing layers.

Some of you folks are SO damn smart!:yes:
 
I remember the tornado that ripped up my house in Tulsa in 1974. Biggest donation we received was free hauling services from REA. Railway Express cruised the area and filled up their delivery trucks with whatever debris we asked them to. They went out of business shortly afterward, so they were probably already feeling money problems, but they did it anyway.

We also got two egg salad sandwiches from the Red Cross.

The worst problems was all the people who wanted to drive through the area on Sunday after church just to see the damage. We were up on the roof soaked from the rain, nailing plastic and tarps to the roof when they drove slowly by with their children in their pretty pink dresses and patent leather shoes. Because of that traffic, it took several hours to get three miles through the traffic to buy more tarps and nails.
 
I remember the tornado that ripped up my house in Tulsa in 1974. Biggest donation we received was free hauling services from REA. Railway Express cruised the area and filled up their delivery trucks with whatever debris we asked them to. They went out of business shortly afterward, so they were probably already feeling money problems, but they did it anyway.

We also got two egg salad sandwiches from the Red Cross.

The worst problems was all the people who wanted to drive through the area on Sunday after church just to see the damage. We were up on the roof soaked from the rain, nailing plastic and tarps to the roof when they drove slowly by with their children in their pretty pink dresses and patent leather shoes. Because of that traffic, it took several hours to get three miles through the traffic to buy more tarps and nails.

...and yet others claim people giving of themselves and delivering aid is just getting in the way of the professionals (professional losers) from FEMA.
 
...and yet others claim people giving of themselves and delivering aid is just getting in the way of the professionals (professional losers) from FEMA.

Whatever. If it makes you feel better to slam folks who spend their careers trying to help people, go ahead.

People are generous, and that's wonderful. Truly, it is!
But as an emergency manager, I have been on the other side having semi trucks full of mixed supplies show up, and I have to either use half of my people to sort the donations (and you NEVER have enough people) and prep them for distribution, then transport them to where they are needed, or else leave them to sit. That's especially a problem when there's perishables in the donated materials.
Often, there's no thought of how to get the donations to the people that need them, just sending truckloads of stuff to the area.
Again, God bless people's generosity! But Donations Management is often one of the most complex and challenging problems emergency managers deal with.

The organizations I love are the ones that take donations, and send PEOPLE to the other end to receive them, sort them, and prep them for distribution.
Like Church groups that arrange to collect donations and take them to a church in the affected area, where the local parishioners receive them and set up distribution sites.

Many times (especially in situations like Oklahoma where there's an intact metro area) it's much more efficient to buy that materials needed and have them delivered directly to the location needed, so you eliminate reception, sorting, and transshipment.

But often you just have semis showing up with just the guy driving it, with no notice, and then you have to figure out what the heck you're going to do with semis full of stuff and you have no idea what's in the trucks until you unload them.
At the Astrodome after Katrina, we had over 1000 volunteers doing nothing but receiving, emptying, sorting, and prepping truckloads of donations for redistribution.
 
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Whatever. If it makes you feel better to slam folks who spend their careers trying to help people, go ahead.

People are generous, and that's wonderful. Truly, it is!
But as an emergency manager, I have been on the other side having semi trucks full of mixed supplies show up, and I have to either use half of my people to sort the donations (and you NEVER have enough people) and prep them for distribution, then transport them to where they are needed, or else leave them to sit. That's especially a problem when there's perishables in the donated materials.
Often, there's no thought of how to get the donations to the people that need them, just sending truckloads of stuff to the area.
Again, God bless people's generosity! But Donations Management is often one of the most complex and challenging problems emergency managers deal with.


The organizations I love are the ones that take donations, and send PEOPLE to the other end to receive them, sort them, and prep them for distribution.
Like Church groups that arrange to collect donations and take them to a church in the affected area, where the local parishioners receive them and set up distribution sites.

Many times (especially in situations like Oklahoma where there's an intact metro area) it's much more efficient to buy that materials needed and have them delivered directly to the location needed, so you eliminate reception, sorting, and transshipment.

But often you just have semis showing up with just the guy driving it, with no notice, and then you have to figure out what the heck you're going to do with semis full of stuff and you have no idea what's in the trucks until you unload them.
At the Astrodome after Katrina, we had over 1000 volunteers doing nothing but receiving, emptying, sorting, and prepping truckloads of donations for redistribution.

I hear ya. The churches in the area were absolutely the most efficient sites to deliver goods on Monday. It seems like the professionals were terribly disorganized.

In Moore, they were suffering from having too many donations all at once, and too many people trying to help. In other areas, like Carney, they were suffering from having almost no donations and little help. Which problem would you rather have?

I'm sure staying organized during such a massive relief effort is an absolute nightmare, but having little or nothing to organize and few volunteers to organize and distribute it seems far worse.

Interestingly, we took a truck load of supplies that we purposefully kept pretty well organized. Pallets of water, pallets of gatorade, Baby stuff separated from the food, toilet paper in it's own pile, toiletries in it's own pile, etc. We took 6 men to unloaded it, which were the same men who loded it and knew where everything was. When we brought it to an emergency management team and opened the door, they immediately started yankin' stuff outta there and throwing it in a random pile. We had to tell the pros to back off and let us handle it. Once we established control over the chaos, we were able to handle the supplies in a nice, organized manner. I don't blame them, for doing it how they tried to do it, because they were so frazzled and were in desparate need of what we had. The point is, it doesn't really matter how it gets done, as long as it gets done, and the affected people have access to what they need, one way or another.

I can also imagine that a randomly packed semi could be a booger to sort through. It's just hard to manage such a terrible disaster.
 
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My late father tried to volunteer to GO to assist with Katrina with two large national volunteer groups. Neither accepted his offer. He had a go-bag and knew how to survive, etc.

Maybe if FEMA is consistently short of personnel the focus should be on how to let these national organizations properly prep up and know they have qualified volunteers, ready to deploy, as long as it doesn't turn into a cluster**** of "certifications" and BS?

Realistically though, a tornado is too small of an impact area to justify shipping too many bodies in. Then you get stuck just figuring out how to feed and bunk them. Hurricanes, different story.

That's probably one of the reasons the Church and other membership groups based groups do better. They'll arrange to put the folks in member's houses outside the impact area, who'll effectively take care of that part of the logistics mess.

The two organizations that turned dad down were the American Red Cross and the Salvation Army, by the way. He made repeated attempts to find "the right people", etc. He had time and muscles and nobody wanted them. And he knew better than to just self-deploy to such a hard-hit area and become part of the problem instead of the solution.

FEMA could "red card" folks in a fashion similar to Wildland Fire, although that's different in that those folks usually get paid... and have a background skillset in firefighting prior to earning the Wildland certification card.

I'd be fascinated to hear if CERT played any significant role. That whole program feels like a sad joke to me. Teaches people that they shouldn't expect much outside assistance and basic self-reliance skills their parents should have taught them, but it doesn't seem to mesh much into the massive manpower efforts usually needed at mass disaster scenes.

Especially when most "trainees" I see with time to go to the courses offered are fat guys who might be able to lift five boxes of stuff before dropping dead of a coronary event. (Sorry, calling it like it is... certainly the manpower needed can at least stack boxes and pallets for a few hours...)
 
My late father tried to volunteer to GO to assist with Katrina with two large national volunteer groups. Neither accepted his offer. He had a go-bag and knew how to survive, etc.

......Especially when most "trainees" I see with time to go to the courses offered are fat guys who might be able to lift five boxes of stuff before dropping dead of a coronary event. (Sorry, calling it like it is... certainly the manpower needed can at least stack boxes and pallets for a few hours...)

Nate, Your concept is noble and valid.......

Unfortunately the "system" is set up to milk the public and cater to their close friends so they get all the glory... The LAST thing they want is able bodied Americans who can show up, get the job done without wanting medals to pin on their jackets, help the victims and then go back home so their presence does not add to the problem....... There are layer after layer of downright BS in FEMA, The Red Cross, Salvation Army and a few other orgs who advertise they are the front line to disasters.. In EVERY event they turn out to the most ineffective............ And yet they consistantly are recognized to the masses of sheeple as the "go to" groups in times of need..........

God Bless America......... As it is slipping into a third world status...:mad:
 
Unfortunately the "system" is set up to milk the public and cater to their close friends so they get all the glory... The LAST thing they want is able bodied Americans who can show up, get the job done without wanting medals to pin on their jackets, help the victims and then go back home so their presence does not add to the problem....... There are layer after layer of downright BS in FEMA, The Red Cross, Salvation Army and a few other orgs who advertise they are the front line to disasters.. In EVERY event they turn out to the most ineffective............ And yet they consistantly are recognized to the masses of sheeple as the "go to" groups in times of need..........

As you probably have guessed, I am a career emergency manager.

There is no "system". All disasters are local, and are managed and commanded by the local jurisdiction and state.

The local and state agencies are supported by FEMA, Red Cross, etc, to fulfill the missions that the STATE has asked them to perform, provide the resources the STATE requests, under the command and control of the STATE.

If FEMA sends 100,000 bottles of water to a town, it's because the STATE requested it. If they don't, it's because the STATE did not request it. FEMA cannot do anything until the STATE asks them to.

FEMA has never advertised themselves as a front line or first response agency, because they are not.

Further, if FEMA is coming in, it's because the disaster is beyond the scope of the state to handle, which means (by definition) that things have already gone to hell in an handbasket, you are way behind the curve, and trying to catch up (in other words, you're already stalled and spun in, and are trying to rebuild the plane from the wreckage).

In bad incidents, in essence, FEMA comes in after the wheels have come off, can only do what the state asks, when usually no one has a good handle on what's going on. They have no authority to make decisions, because the STATE is primary. They cannot move resources or bring things in on their own authority, because the STATE has to ask first.
And the states are sometimes slow to ask, because they have to pay 25% of the cost.

By the way, when the wildfires in CA a few years ago displaced 500,000 people, what other organization besides Red Cross could mobilize hundreds of trained people and thousands of pounds of supplies and set up shelters on no notice?
When Houston needed to turn the Astrodome, Reliant Arena, and the Reliant Convention Center into a shelter for 75,000 people in 48 hours, what other organizations besides Red Cross and Salvation Army could do it?

During the 2005 hurricane season (including Katrina), Red Cross mobilized a quarter million personnel, and ran almost 2000 shelters.
During Katrina alone, Salvation Army worked a million hours, served 13 million meals, and provided pastoral services to a quarter million people.

But keep blaming FEMA, Red Cross, and Salvation Army if it makes you feel better.
 
I don't fault FEMA. I've been through the basic classes. Alan has the on the ground version of what they do nailed (since he does it, of course). I laugh when people think FEMA is in charge or is "coming to save them".

Having met Alan in person and even seen him do some minor "real work" I know he's the real deal. I've met a few wannabes in his line of work though, too.

Bottom line is, you get hit with something the help starts with the neighbors and then rolls in from there. Americans do have an amazing capacity for caring when the rubber hits the road.

And Katrina... I doubt Alan can say this for political reasons, but the stories I've heard about what and when the locals did things, are appalling. When the blame game started with Bush, I just shook my head and thought "people have NO idea what they're talking about"... but so few actually see the mess of authorizations and payments that have to take place that it's obscure.

But hey, the DIC in NOLA is headed to prison for other reasons now, last I heard. Lovely human, he is.

As far as the national organizations go, I'm not enthused about their percentages of money that goes directly to assist. Red Cross being the biggest offender, and working down from there.

I had to chase Salvation Army guys off an Amateur Radio repeater who were discussing how much money to charge firefighters for burritos once. They had forgotten Amateur frequencies can't be used for business purposes. Show up as a charity you're okay. Start discussing business of the organization, going to have to apply for a Business Band license for that.

For all I know they went to simplex and continued, but the Repeater organization couldn't put the club license at risk like that.

We told 'em (off air, via cell phone, no point in making it public) to keep using the system if they needed it (no cell coverage in the firefighter staging area at all), just drop the business chatter and we're all cool. We'd pretend we didn't know they were selling the food that they were using the radio repeater system to handle the logistics for.
 
When the biggest problem that arises during the relief effort is all the volunteers getting in the way, you know you live in a good place. This state is so helpful and giving it.

That's a good problem to have. I've seen the devastation on the news. It's hard for many of us out here to relate to but certainly you have our support, even if it is our thoughts and prayers.
 
During Katrina, FEMA marched into town with "Brownie, you are doing a great job" .. They went around with federal money and booked 10's of thousands of hotel rooms for the displaced... The leaches of society quickly jumped on board and milked they gravy train for BILLIONS... Then after the water went down, FEMA went door to door and gave the crooks standing there 100,000's of thousands of dollars, problem was the people they gave the money to were just renters, not the owners of record.. of course these crooks cashed the checks and pi$$ed all the money away.. And the true owners of the destroyed property gone NOTHING....

During the early stages of resettlement, FEMA bought 10's of thousands of mobile homes / RV trailers... Thousands are still sitting at some obscure airport rotting as I type this... And the ones that actually got used, well those scam artists who stayed in them sued the US guv for Formaldahyde poisoning and won millions in settlements.......

A word to the wise sir.............. Do NOT attempt to sugar coat FEMA.............. as they are ineffective, bumbling idiotic CROOKS..........:yes::mad2::mad:
 
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During Katrina, FEMA marched into town with "Brownie, you are doing a great job" .. They went around with federal money and booked 10's of thousands of hotel rooms for the displaced... The leaches of society quickly jumped on board and milked they gravy train for BILLIONS....

During the early stages of resettlement, FEMA bought 10's of thousands of mobile homes / RV trailers... Thousands are still sitting at some obscure airport rotting as I type this... And the ones that actually got used, well those scam artists who stayed in them sued the US guv for Formaldahyde poisoning and won millions in settlements.......

The US Congress passed laws making FEMA directly responsible for providing housing to displaced persons. They are MANDATED to do this.

So, Mr. FEMA Director, you're the boss. A major American city has been evacuated, there are hundreds of thousands of people displaced, you are LEGALLY responsible for housing them (all of them, you don't get to pick and choose), right now, and for the long term as well.
What's your plan?

BTW, for the lawsuit thing, how is that FEMAs fault that they got whacked by the same legal system that hammers Lycoming for a crash where the engine was running all the way to the point of impact?
 
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So, Mr. FEMA Director, you're the boss. A major American city has been evacuated, there are hundreds of thousands of people displaced, you are LEGALLY responsible for housing them (all of them, you don't get to pick and choose), right now, and for the long term as well.
What's your plan?

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My plan....:dunno::)..

Have the displaced homeowners call their insurance company.. You know, the ones who have actually paid a premium to the insurance company, and use the temp housing coverage in their policy......

Instead millions of leaches have learned they don't need to pay a DIME for coverage because FEMA will show up and fund their scam....

They are the smart ones.... All of us honest ones are suckers..:mad2::mad2::mad:
 
During the early stages of resettlement, FEMA bought 10's of thousands of mobile homes / RV trailers... Thousands are still sitting at some obscure airport rotting as I type this... And the ones that actually got used, well those scam artists who stayed in them sued the US guv for Formaldahyde poisoning and won millions in settlements.......

A word to the wise sir.............. Do NOT attempt to sugar coat FEMA.............. as they are ineffective, bumbling idiotic CROOKS..........:yes::mad2::mad:

Hey, it's not all bad. Because of the formaldehyde thing, all the trailers can only legally be sold as scrap now. As a result, you can have yourself a brand new 28-30 ft travel trailer for 2-4 grand. Appliances and mattresses still wrapped in plastic. The outsides are usually a little faded from just sitting in the sun, but otherwise perfect, if a little cheaply built. Ask me how I know :D
 
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Instead millions of leaches have learned they don't need to pay a DIME for coverage because FEMA will show up and fund their scam....

Again, Congress pass the LAW requiring FEMA to do certain things. Is that FEMA's fault?
More specifically, is that the fault of the employees of FEMA, who are doing what the LAW requires? Is your anger misplaced?
 
...... Is your anger misplaced?


Nope.. FEMA pi$$ed the money away with poor business logic and dealings.. And I am not giving them a free pass either :no::nonod::no::nonod::mad2: ......

I can't believe you are actually sticking up for that kind of waste and mismanagement.:dunno:
 
I've had experience as an Emergency Services volunteer for roughly forty years. We worked many, Many storms, tornadoes and big fires. As a grn

Enteral rule once FEMA showed up, you could count on being treated like a dirty dog by people who barely lifted their fat azzes off a chair all day.
When it came to organization and execution, I will take the local FD, Public Safety and Sheriff over anything the Feds drag out and they will spend 5% doing the same basic tasks.
 
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I had to post this. We need to lighten the mood in here.


Got to love an Okie:
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But often you just have semis showing up with just the guy driving it, with no notice, and then you have to figure out what the heck you're going to do with semis full of stuff and you have no idea what's in the trucks until you unload them.

Suggestion: Identify a local church that wants to help, have them line up their volunteers and direct the trucks to them. I bet they get handled quickly and efficiently.
 
Suggestion: Identify a local church that wants to help, have them line up their volunteers and direct the trucks to them. I bet they get handled quickly and efficiently.

You apparently didn't read his entire post.
 
Thought this was neat:

This morning more than a 1,000 people showed up to clean up this cemetery in Moore for Memorial Day weekend. Incredible!
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