Oh, crap. An RV-8A owner contacted me...

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...And wants to know if we're interested in buying.

He heard about us through the grapevine, where I've been spreading the word that we may be interested in the next 12 months.

The plane looks every bit as awesome as, well, an RV-8A looks. Which is to say AMAZING.

Dang. We're in the middle of remodeling the hotel, we just met with an architect to add a second story, Atlas is in for annual, and we're coming into the busy season. I don't have time to deal with one more thing, but....

....an RV-8A is just so danged COOL.

Must...resist....

:dunno: :yikes: :wink2: :yesnod: :cheerswine:
 
Jay Honeck said:
...And wants to know if we're interested in buying.

He heard about us through the grapevine, where I've been spreading the word that we may be interested in the next 12 months.

The plane looks every bit as awesome as, well, an RV-8A looks. Which is to say AMAZING.

Dang. We're in the middle of remodeling the hotel, we just met with an architect to add a second story, Atlas is in for annual, and we're coming into the busy season. I don't have time to deal with one more thing, but....

....an RV-8A is just so danged COOL.

Must...resist....

:dunno: :yikes: :wink2: :yesnod: :cheerswine:
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Unless there's a secret hiding zone for RVs for sale, there are never very many of them for sale, at least not on controller.com or aso.com. I think you should explore it.
 
Jay Honeck said:
...And wants to know if we're interested in buying.

He heard about us through the grapevine, where I've been spreading the word that we may be interested in the next 12 months.

The plane looks every bit as awesome as, well, an RV-8A looks. Which is to say AMAZING.

Dang. We're in the middle of remodeling the hotel, we just met with an architect to add a second story, Atlas is in for annual, and we're coming into the busy season. I don't have time to deal with one more thing, but....

....an RV-8A is just so danged COOL.

Must...resist....

:dunno: :yikes: :wink2: :yesnod: :cheerswine:
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My student who I took through his private license last summer stopped by in his newly purchased RV-9A today. Sweet, sweet ride!!

Go for it. You know you must. :yes::yes::yes:
 
Jay Honeck said:
Must...resist....
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Why?
If it meets your requirements then look into it.


My problem with RVs is I wouldn't trust the person who build it and building it myself would take way too long.
 
Meh - every week I see another plane I want. Last week it was an Aerostar. Who knows next week.
 
It does not seem we are being of much help here.


It seems to me with our assistance only one thing is possible:

"Resistance is futile."

So I would like to be the first to congratulate you on purchasing the plane of your dreams. Fly safely.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Must...resist....
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nddons said:
Unless there's a secret hiding zone for RVs for sale, there are never very many of them for sale, at least not on controller.com or aso.com. I think you should explore it.
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Barnstormers, and VAF is where most RV's are listed.
 
Jay Honeck said:
...And wants to know if we're interested in buying.

He heard about us through the grapevine, where I've been spreading the word that we may be interested in the next 12 months.

The plane looks every bit as awesome as, well, an RV-8A looks. Which is to say AMAZING.

Dang. We're in the middle of remodeling the hotel, we just met with an architect to add a second story, Atlas is in for annual, and we're coming into the busy season. I don't have time to deal with one more thing, but....

....an RV-8A is just so danged COOL.

Must...resist....

:dunno: :yikes: :wink2: :yesnod: :cheerswine:
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Have you flown/ridden in a RV-8 yet? If not, don't do it now or all efforts of resistance will definitely be futile. ;)
 
CJones said:
Have you flown/ridden in a RV-8 yet? If not, don't do it now or all efforts of resistance will definitely be futile. ;)
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John, Do Not, I repeat, DO NOT fly in it! :rofl::rofl:


Oh what the hell, does it have smoke? Inverted flight systems? What engine and prop?

Seriously, good advertising for your flyin hotel being RV friendly. :yes::yes: Lots of young and adventurous RV pilots (and young at heart) out there that love to fly for weekend getaways. An RV-8 on your web site would look very inviting. :yes:

Lots of newby pilots are seeing the benifits of experimental. Speed, operating cost, low fuel consumption, low maintenance costs.
 
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snowbird said:
I went for a ride in an RV once. It cost me 75 grand.
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Haha.. I gave a ride to a guy that says the same thing. "Most expensive airplane ride I've ever had" is what he told someone when they asked how it went.
 
Better get started practicing those overhead breaks...
 
nddons said:
Unless there's a secret hiding zone for RVs for sale, there are never very many of them for sale, at least not on controller.com or aso.com. I think you should explore it.
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As with all desirable aircraft, most never see the "want ads". You gotta know someone who knows someone. :D
 
Henning said:
An 8A? That's like kissing your sister.
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The nose wheel is largely for Mary's comfort. Despite being an accomplished pilot of 16 years, with nearly a thousand hours and almost 2000 successful landings, she is surprisingly cautious when it comes to taildraggers. I think she's read too many NTSB reports.
 
snowbird said:
I went for a ride in an RV once. It cost me 75 grand.
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That's what I'm afraid of.

Atlas, our Pathfinder, is in many respects the perfect plane. It has an enormous, 1,460 pound useful load, long legs, and, at 142 knots, is relatively quick. We've flown him everywhere for the last 12 years...and he is like a comfortable pair of slippers.

But now the kids are grown, the back seat sits empty 85% of the time, and the last one in the nest is making noises about wanting to leave. We both long for something aerobatic, and fast enough to get to Iowa more quickly.
 
Jay Honeck said:
The nose wheel is largely for Mary's comfort. Despite being an accomplished pilot of 16 years, with nearly a thousand hours and almost 2000 successful landings, she is surprisingly cautious when it comes to taildraggers. I think she's read too many NTSB reports.
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A few hours with a tailwheel will quickly disabuse her of that idea, especially when she discovers wheel landings and the options they buy you.
 
Jay, you want me to talk you out of it? :rofl::rofl:
I can resist anything except temptation!! :D
 
If you're not already reading the articles in Sport Aviation regarding home-built safety issues and accident rates and causes, you might find them interesting. My impression is that the serious problems aren't the result of rivet-bucking problems but from engine, fuel and electrical problems that pilot skills simply can't overcome.
 
Before you go do something wrong, maybe spend a few minutes looking at the Glasair 1TD or trike. After fitting my flame suit, I consider the Glasair to be superior to the RV in every way. Except it's plastic not metal.
 
docmirror said:
Before you go do something wrong, maybe spend a few minutes looking at the Glasair 1TD or trike. After fitting my flame suit, I consider the Glasair to be superior to the RV in every way. Except it's plastic not metal.
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So, the ability to corrode appears to be an advantage?:dunno: My pick would be from the Lancair line.
 
Henning said:
So, the ability to corrode appears to be an advantage?:dunno:
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In the realm of amateur built, or homebuilt aircraft metal construction has the distinct advantage of being able to inspect and validate most types of construction flaws. The same is not true of homebuilt composite structures, which are sealed once built. I hope that helps.
 
docmirror said:
In the realm of amateur built, or homebuilt aircraft metal construction has the distinct advantage of being able to inspect and validate most types of construction flaws. The same is not true of homebuilt composite structures, which are sealed once built. I hope that helps.
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OTOH, composite structures typically come fully laid up from the factory and you just glue them together as the builder (granted there are some that you lay up, but not the Glasair or Lancair). The seams can easily be inspected with an ultrasound rig.

Inspecting the rivet work inside the wings is not that simple, nor can one inspect if the holes were drilled and deburred correctly. Each system has it's strong and weak points. Where one lives is probably the greatest determinant of which is best for whom.
 
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Go ahead. Trust the Glasair or Lancair 'factory'. I don't care. I stand by my statement.

What's more, Jay is not looking to build from scratch or use the quick build. He's looking at buying a completed kit.
 
docmirror said:
Go ahead. Trust the Glasair or Lancair 'factory'. I don't care. I stand by my statement.

What's more, Jay is not looking to build from scratch or use the quick build. He's looking at buying a completed kit.
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Yep, that's why the composite planes reduce the variability in individual plane quality. There's one guy who builds I would buy anything from sight unseen, the rest are all an equal risk IMO, and yes, I trust the Lancair factory to produce a quality layup far more than I trust someone in their garage to rivet up an airframe.
 
MachFly said:
I'd want something a lot more thorough than a typical pre buy inspection for a home build.
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:confused: Nothing I would inspect on a home built I wouldn't inspect on a certified plane, not much more is really possible without drilling off panels of skin.
 
Henning said:
:confused: Nothing I would inspect on a home built I wouldn't inspect on a certified plane, not much more is really possible without drilling off panels of skin.
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That's exactly my point. In my opinion a pre buy inspection of a home build should involve taking it apart... completely, and that's a bit unreasonable.
 
MachFly said:
That's exactly my point. In my opinion a pre buy inspection of a home build should involve taking it apart... completely, and that's a bit unreasonable.
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Quite unreasonable, if you have those kind of doubts and concerns you shouldn't be in that market.
 
MachFly said:
I'd want something a lot more thorough than a typical pre buy inspection for a home build.
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All homebuilts are supposed to undergo a testing phase where the limits of operation are determined.

Pragmatically, if a homebuilt makes it to 200 hours or beyond, that would satisfy my own threshold with respect to basic soundness of construction.
 
Jim Logajan said:
All homebuilts are supposed to undergo a testing phase where the limits of operation are determined.

Pragmatically, if a homebuilt makes it to 200 hours or beyond, that would satisfy my own threshold with respect to basic soundness of construction.
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Plus they have been inspected and signed off by an FAA engineering type or designee.
 
The track record indicates it doesn't quite work that way. Read the on-point articles in SA mag.

Jim Logajan said:
All homebuilts are supposed to undergo a testing phase where the limits of operation are determined.

Pragmatically, if a homebuilt makes it to 200 hours or beyond, that would satisfy my own threshold with respect to basic soundness of construction.
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Which has also proven to be less than wonderful in terms of results. Too many variables by too many builders. The home-builders would like to believe their sorry record is the result of accidents during test and qualification flights, but the SA gurus say it's much deeper than that.

Henning said:
Plus they have been inspected and signed off by an FAA engineering type or designee.
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wabower said:
The track record indicates it doesn't quite work that way. Read the on-point articles in SA mag.
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Any possibility you can you summarize how it does work?

I've read the NALL reports and Wanttaja's analysis and seen some of the FAA's analysis. As far as I can tell, once past the initial test phase, EABs still have a slightly higher accident rate than regular GA, but buying a used airplane with a few hundred hours sets your risk due to mechanical failure only marginally greater than certified aircraft. Airframe failures - whether made of metal or plastic - don't seem to happen all that much. All IMHO.
 
The articles are in recent SA volumes, and the result of EAA's pro-active stance on homebuilt accidents. They speak for themselves.

Jim Logajan said:
Any possibility you can you summarize how it does work?

I've read the NALL reports and Wanttaja's analysis and seen some of the FAA's analysis. As far as I can tell, once past the initial test phase, EABs still have a slightly higher accident rate than regular GA, but buying a used airplane with a few hundred hours sets your risk due to mechanical failure only marginally greater than certified aircraft. Airframe failures - whether made of metal or plastic - don't seem to happen all that much. All IMHO.
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