Nov. 19, 2020: Cirrus lands vertically w/ no injuries

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  1. woodchucker

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    Good stuff, be interesting to hear the details of what happened.
     
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    The pilot and co-pilot were the only people on board the plane at the time. They were not injured in the incident, according to Cpl. Mike Wall.
    The plane suffered minor damage in the landing.
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    CAPS FOR THE WIN!
     
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    No mention of the crap 1960's designed engine that lost oil pressure?! All that 172 venting must have cleansed the soul!
     
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    It was a guy and his son, he posted over on the COPA site, they are both fine, although shaken up. No details yet, but this is a good story.
     
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    Another successful chute deployment, always good to hear.
     
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    so after CAPS deployment is the plane considered totaled?
     
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    Yes, however some have been brought back to flyable condition.. but I think it requires getting clever with data plates etc
     
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    The pilot from this incident posted on COPA, but, understandably, wasn’t ready to talk more about it yet. Glad everyone is OK. Another CAPS save for the books.
     
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    Cirrus POH Section 3, Emergency Procedures.

    - LOSS OF OIL PRESSURE

    1. Pop Silk
     
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    Yeah, but...

    The pilot was able to deploy an airframe parachute system to slow the plane down and make a soft landing in an empty field, approximately in the area of 785 West and 2400 North in Genola.

    If the pilot was a real man and competent pilot, he would have dismissed the idea of pulling the parachute, because the empty field was a perfect spot to perform an off-airport landing.

    (See the post above this one for example of real man and competent pilot)

    ;)
     
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    Reading a little deeper, they did not deploy the parachute until the engine shut down and they were not in gliding distance of an airport. The area they landed is usually swampy, but was hard because of a recent drought.

    why would a “real man and competent pilot” risk landing in a known swamp when there is an easy out with a very, very high survival rate? The plane just tried to kill you, return the favor if it means you almost certainly walk away. Lots of competent pilots have hurt themselves with off airport landings where almost everything goes right.

    “Totaled” is an insurance term. It is never a question of whether or not the airplane can be repaired, it’s a question of whether it is cheaper for the insurance company to pay for the repair or to just pay off the policy. Practically every airplane is repairable, but at what cost?
     
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    Even if they can't fix the plane with all that glue, they'll be so buzzed from the fumes they won't care.
     
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    Because, for whatever reason, there’s some sort of macho superiority that’s associated with the idea of dead sticking a fixed gear airplane into a field with unknown terrain.

    Personally, I would choose walking away with my family in tact vs. hobbling on a broken who knows what with my chest puffed out every single time. But hey, I also prefer flying IFR on a G1000 and a capable autopilot, so I’m really just a pansy boy sissy pilot.
     
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    Use the best tools available for the situation. Personally, totaling the plane is probably going to look better for the bottom line. If he would’ve dead sticked that Cirrus, which he certainly could’ve done in that field, insurance would have paid for the extraction to a nearby airport, But the three months of downtime and 50K to pull and rebuild that engine would be completely on the owner. If the plane is totaled.... He gets a check for the insurance value and gets to start over With an equivalent no damage history SR 22. Now if the insurance company deems the aircraft not totaled, then he is super screwed. Because he has to rebuild the engine at his expense, repair the damage at insurance expense, four to six months of downtime, And now owns a plane with significant damage history.
     
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    Perhaps you read too deeply into my post. Nowhere did I say anything about “real man and competent pilot” nor did I even mention insurance, let alone "Totaled".
     
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    Conglomerated response. I quoted you but read several posts. Sorry for the confusion.

    Pilot did the right thing and walked away with his son. Many good pilots have had significant injuries from a simple off field landing.
     
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    Gotcha... I agree. He was the PIC for a reason and whatever it takes to ensure a safe outcome is fair game. Does not exclude one from craking a joke, however. :p
     
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    Pilot posted elsewhere, paraphrased:

    Partial loss of power after 15 minutes of flight, immediately diverted toward airport 15 miles away, loss of oil pressure "to 0", tried to get near civilization, couldn't maintain altitude, was clear wouldn't make airport. Over what he knew to be swampy terrain, decided to pull, cut engine, pulled, notified ATC, he and his son walked away uninjured.

    This guy is a rock star in my opinion. Absolutely reacted appropriately.
     
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    Yep. Swallow your pride and live to tell about it. Was obviously aware enough that the open field is usually a swamp. Airplane ain't worth you and/or your son or anyone's else life or injury. And it don't matter what's between your legs. Wanna be the macho dude and maybe try to save the plane. Have at it. Just not with me in it. Not with a chute to pull.

    Would be interested to know what caused the loss of oil pressure.
     
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    He paid for the parachute, might as well use it!
     
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    Can you log PIC after deployment?
     
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    Yup, you are still flying, just have to keep track of time on the way down because the hobbs will be turned off.
     
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    You missed the sarcasm.
     
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    Do the rental places know about this...?? :lol:
     
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    Renters are going to start pulling the chute to save a tenth. :)
     
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    I'm crushed.
     
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    I think this is sarcasm too.
     
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