No nose gear

[brandonflores11]

Got home from work only to see this. Hope they land ok!

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[MAKG1]

It's happened before.

I remember a twin (I think a Cessna 310) doing that at KVNY a few years ago, making a nearly perfect no-nosegear landing on the numbers, and even shutting off both engines on short final (not that it's a good idea).

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[texasag93]

Airport is now open. 7:20 local time. That is a US aviation Seneca.

 

[unsafervguy]

that WAS a us aviation seneca, will be on an insurance company salvage page soon....

 

[retpd2001]

It's happened before.

and even shutting off both engines on short final (not that it's a good idea).

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Why not? Saves 2 engines from being torn down if there is no prop strike with them running.

 

[James331]

Why not? Saves 2 engines from being torn down if there is no prop strike with them running.

Yup, if you got the real estate, altitude and skill to do it, that's ideal.

 

[RyanB]

It's happened before.

I remember a twin (I think a Cessna 310) doing that at KVNY a few years ago, making a nearly perfect no-nosegear landing on the numbers, and even shutting off both engines on short final (not that it's a good idea).

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I remember that, was one heck of a landing!

 

[Pilawt]

Yup, if you got the real estate, altitude and skill to do it, that's ideal.

As long as fiddling with the switches doesn't distract one from flying the airplane in a stressful situation. And with three-blade props there will be tear-downs no matter what.

 

[Dan Thomas]

Wow. I make no-nosegear landings all the time. In my Jodel.

 

[ARFlyer]

It's happened before.

I remember a twin (I think a Cessna 310) doing that at KVNY a few years ago, making a nearly perfect no-nosegear landing on the numbers, and even shutting off both engines on short final (not that it's a good idea).

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Few weeks ago, I watched a 421 make a nose-less landing in KHOT. Everyone on the radio was telling him to shut down his engines on final. I really wanted to tell the guy not to listen to them, but decided to not interject myself into it.

Either way those engines had to be torn down as they were a three bladed props. Better to have power in case something happens at the last second then be committed.

 

[Everskyward]

It's happened before.

To me, and I'm guessing several others here. It isn't that big a deal. I'm glad that back in the day there was no video and no publicity.

I didn't shut the engines down and I wouldn't if it happened again. Not that there's much of a chance of that.

 

[Zeldman]

So, if the engines are shut down, and the prop still hits the ground, does the engine have to be torn down and inspected?

 

[flyingron]

I would. Both the major manufacturers recommend it if the prop hits anything while it is turning even if it is not under power. Other than an AD on certain Lycoming accessory cases, there's no "mandatory" tear down even if you drive your engine full power into an solid object.

 

[Norman]

So, if the engines are shut down, and the prop still hits the ground, does the engine have to be torn down and inspected?

The insurance company is very likely to demand it. Future liability and all that.

 

[Mtns2Skies]

Im not sure what the big deal it. Every landing should be no nose gear!

 

[flyingron]

The insurance company is very likely to demand it. Future liability and all that.

Even if they don't, the insurance company typically WILL pay for it. The damage to the engine from the prop strike is secondary to the mechanical failure and hence the inspection is covered. When I had my engine failure, obviously they weren't going to cover the damage to the jug that blew up but when I struck the prop on the edge of the runway (real minor scuff) they had no problem footing the bill for the teardown.

 

[GRG55]

Why not? Saves 2 engines from being torn down if there is no prop strike with them running.

The insurance companies are actively discouraging this. It's simply a risk management issue. Shutting off the engines and using the starter to kick the blades horizontal on two engines before touchdown sounds like a great idea...until some distracted jockey stalls the airplane close to the ground and ends up messing up the props, engines, airframe and occupants.

Ya, ya, I know everyone else here is in the top 1% of pilot proficiency, so this doesn't apply.