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TangoWhiskey

TangoWhiskey

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Something to watch when you have a spare half hour. AOPA advises only pilots watch it.... not spouses, not student pilots. It's emotional, and powerful.

I think I can understand having non-flying spouses excluded from the audience, but excluding students? Maybe it should just be mandatory viewing right after they earn their license....

I gotta hand it to this guy... being able to talk publicly about what happened just over 18 months ago must have been hard.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/video/no-gr..._id=120824epilot&WT.mc_sect=tts&cmp=ePlt:Phto

Related NTSB report: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20110123X12244&ntsbno=WPR11FA103&akey=1
 
My next flight (Wednesday), is my first Solo flight. I am glad I watched it. Not sure why they would not want a student to view the film.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Something to watch when you have a spare half hour. AOPA advises only pilots watch it.... not spouses, not student pilots. It's emotional, and powerful.

I think I can understand having non-flying spouses excluded from the audience, but excluding students? Maybe it should just be mandatory viewing right after they earn their license....

I gotta hand it to this guy... being able to talk publicly about what happened just over 18 months ago must have been hard.

http://www.aopa.org/asf/video/no-gr..._id=120824epilot&WT.mc_sect=tts&cmp=ePlt:Phto

Related NTSB report: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief2.aspx?ev_id=20110123X12244&ntsbno=WPR11FA103&akey=1
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Thank you for the link...
 
I lost interest when they brought in a shrink to try to explain why he forgot to run a before landing checklist. It is also edited like a lifetime special.
 
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I lost interest when they brought in a shrink to try to explain why he forgot to run a before landing checklist.
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His mother had just died, they talk about phsycological factors that could lead to a clouded mind.
 
Mafoo said:
My next flight (Wednesday), is my first Solo flight. I am glad I watched it. Not sure why they would not want a student to view the film.
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Because they don't want to scare anyone away.
 
DavidWhite said:
His mother had just died, they talk about phsycological factors that could lead to a clouded mind.
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I understand and I didn't miss their point...

I suppose I am probably a little fed up because I recently administered a NIH study run by a psychiatrist about pilots and distractions in the cockpit. And the repetitive articles run by aopa, asf about IMSAFE and what not :mad2: Just feel its been drilled into my head too much.

I didn't need a shrink or apoa to tell me I did not feel up to the task of flying for awhile after one of my good friends was killed in a car crash in may

I know ASF is a good cause and their goal is to improve the GA accident rate.

done w the rant!
 
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dell30rb said:
I understand and I didn't miss their point...

I suppose I am probably a little fed up because I recently administered a NIH study run by a psychiatrist about pilots and distractions in the cockpit. And the repetitive articles run by aopa, asf about IMSAFE and what not :mad2: Just feel its been drilled into my head too much.

I didn't need a shrink or apoa to tell me I did not feel up to the task of flying for awhile after one of my good friends was killed in a car crash in may

I know ASF is a good cause and their goal is to improve the GA accident rate.

done w the rant!
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Actually it had nothing to do with his mother dying. It had everything to do with his lack of sleep due to it.

The point was most pilots think they are studs that don't succumb to such pansy things like fatigue. That it's hard to take the average ego that pilots have, and recognize that even the best humans mess up when they are exposed to less then desirable conditions.

It's in our nature to think it makes us more of a man to power through such things.

I like the video, and I am very glad he spent his own money to try and expose these shortcomings a little more. Good for him
 
I watched it as well.

I usually learn from these videos/reports, but most importantly I helps me get over the wrong idea that "this will not happen to me".

In the early stages of flight training I used to ask a lot of questions related to accidents and things/conditions that might lead to them. I was getting the impression (maybe right or wrong, not sure) that my CFI wasn't discussing it as much as I wanted to.

I'm learning taht the risk is always there and it's up to me to always deal with it/mitigate it. The tragic consequences help chisel this in my brain.
 
Very illuminating... goes to show how even IMSAFE won't work if you are not really aware you are impaired. After so many hours in so many types, in various physical and mental states, it must become even easier to not realize "I'm really not at 100% today, and that's a problem." Not so much a "can't happen to an old hand like me" attitude, more of an unconscious lack or awareness. A denial of impairment that you hide even from yourself. That day, he probably didn't feel tired, like some other time he was really tired or whatever... but he was clinically "stressed out", and didn't recognize it.

Knowing that, we could still judge him harshly, I guess... such a simple and basic thing to forget! If you want to be unkind, go ahead... nobody could hurt him, now, more than he's been hurt. :(
 
That was a tough video to watch. No parent should outlive their child. And to have to live with the fact that his actions caused it... There truly is "no greater burden" than that.
 
Guys I am far from a cold and heartless individual but on this occasion I must say this. The bottom line is he was a bit too busy playing around with his son at the controls and lost focus on his landing. I don't think a high priced psychologist doing some qualitative studies on stress and its effects was really needed at all. He screwed up and paid the price.
 
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When you read accident reports of anonymous pilots crashing planes, it's easy to think "wow, what a dumbass I would never do that..."

The good thing about this video is it gives some context to that. Here's a normal guy, just like any of the rest of us, who got distracted for a moment, and will pay the price for the rest of his life. None of us are immune from distraction, nor are any of us immune from the contributing factors that led up to it.

I'm sorry you manly guys didn't like the "lifetime" style editing or shrinks.
 
Does an anphib with the wheels down not feel a little slow on the climb, like a normal retract? Or with those floats hanging out there, is it just not that noticeable?
 
ja_user said:
Does an anphib with the wheels down not feel a little slow on the climb, like a normal retract? Or with those floats hanging out there, is it just not that noticeable?
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Probably not with a turbine powered 206
 
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