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1) Why do we still allow South Koreans into our airspace when they've proven themselves incapable of flying a simple visual approach or recognizing the fact that their autothrottles didn't kick in?

2) What happened with that Southwest 737 at LGA?

3) Anyone out there flown the Cessna 162?
 
I suppose we shouldn't let the Turks into our passenger airports either- an A320 had a radar altimeter noted to read zero in cruise. So when they intercepted the ILS to Heathrow, the a/c though they were on the ground and rolled the throttles to idle.

Dude! These are our ALLIES.

Crazy s_it happens to....well remember the king air Crew that stalled it in killing Minnesota Senator Wellstone? They leveled out at the IAF and failed to add power. It suppose we should revoke their citizenship. Oh. Wait. We can't. They're all dead.

What about the guys who geared up the B1B at Diego Garcia? Oh, wait! They're flying desks....


GREAT FIRST post......not. :yikes:
 
No competent pilot would have allowed that to have happened, Dude. There's a cultural history of honoring the Captain and not speaking up. This is nothing new or specific to the asian culture. As I was starting out in the business, it was assumed that the Captain was God and an upstart copilot would be leopardizing his career by challenging the established authority. Thankfully we in the modern western professional aviation community put a stop to this decades ago.
 
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1) Why do we still allow South Koreans into our airspace when they've proven themselves incapable of flying a simple visual approach or recognizing the fact that their autothrottles didn't kick in?

2) What happened with that Southwest 737 at LGA?

3) Anyone out there flown the Cessna 162?

So, we should judge everyone from a specific country by one example? Wow.
 
No, John. Read previous reply. It's Not about race or nationality, it's about rationally addressing the problem of failed cockpit resource management, learning from mistakes and avoiding future accidents.
 
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So let me get this straight. You are new to the board and that's your best post and you take issue with one the best minds on the board.
Not impressed.:no::no:
 
No, John. Read previous reply. It's Not about race or nationality, it's about rationally addressing the problem of failed cockpit resourse management, learning from mistakes and avoiding future accidents.

I read it. I am literate.

1) Why do we still allow South Koreans into our airspace when they've proven themselves incapable of flying a simple visual approach or recognizing the fact that their autothrottles didn't kick in?
 
Sorry Lynn. There are thousands of posts on this forum and I've only read a few. I'm not challenging anyone's opionion, I'm simply sharing mine in hopes of engaging in a rational discourse. So far, not so successfully.
 
No competent pilot would have allowed that to have happened, Dude. There's a cultural history of honoring the Captain and not speaking up. This is nothing new or specific to the asian culture. As I was starting out in the business, it was assumed that the Captain was God and an upstart copilot would be leopardizing his career by challenging the established authority. Thankfully we in the modern western professional aviation community put a stop to this decades ago.

"Cultural" implies a specific culture, though I suppose you could be referring to the airline industry. However, your previous post calls out a specific country, South Korea.
 
Sorry Lynn. There are thousands of posts on this forum and I've only read a few. I'm not challenging anyone's opionion, I'm simply sharing mine in hopes of engaging in a rational discourse. So far, not so successfully.

Talking of banning an entire friendly nation's airline fleet from our airspace because of the apparent lack of competence of one flight crew isn't among the more rational ideas I've heard...

-Rich
 
What should we do about all American pilots? There have been more than a few who couldn't fly a simple approach.
 
Thanks for the first cojent reply I've yet encountered on this forum, John. "Culture" refers to the systems we habitated humans become comfortable with and rarely challenge. If we as pilots fail to even Think about our mistakes, we will continue to repeat them.
 
Great question, Jose. We need to spend less time teaching new pilots how to operate the fancy electronics and more time teaching them how to fly airplanes. The weak link in South Korea is that (thanks to that pesky war back in the early 50's) they don't allow private aviation. None of those kids ever experienced actually flying around freely in a 152 and learning how to fly.
 
1) Why do we still allow South Koreans into our airspace when they've proven themselves incapable of flying a simple visual approach or recognizing the fact that their autothrottles didn't kick in?
Because MOST Korean aircrews don't crash, among many other reasons.

2) What happened with that Southwest 737 at LGA?
Gee, I dunno. Let me look... Oh! Here you go.

3) Anyone out there flown the Cessna 162?
Some have, yes. I haven't. I saw one down at Gaston's, flown (I think) by a POA member.

My follow-up question... why did I bother even reading this nonsense, let alone responding? I must be really bored.
 
There's something to think about, but the "no private aviation in [insert name of country here]" ship has sailed a long time ago in most places, and we're at risk too.

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I'm still wrapping my brain around calling Dr. Bruce, "Dude." ;-)
 
Great question, Jose. We need to spend less time teaching new pilots how to operate the fancy electronics and more time teaching them how to fly airplanes. The weak link in South Korea is that (thanks to that pesky war back in the early 50's) they don't allow private aviation. None of those kids ever experienced actually flying around freely in a 152 and learning how to fly.

Military pilots should be banned along with the Koreans?
 
I retract my suggestion to ban anyone from our airspace. It was an act of hyperbole to focus attention on the need to never again allow a subservient crewmember to fail to speak up when a plane is about to crash.

I had no idea I'd receive such a negative response to what I thought to be a positive contribution to aviation safety. Sorry.
 
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1) Don't worry. I have spoken with the koreans and they have apologized and are having a national 'conversation' about this topic.
2) Have you tried landing nosewheel first?
3) Its called a skycrapper for a reason
 
1) Why do we still allow South Koreans into our airspace when they've proven themselves incapable of flying a simple visual approach or recognizing the fact that their autothrottles didn't kick in?

2) What happened with that Southwest 737 at LGA?

3) Anyone out there flown the Cessna 162?
New Guy, welcome to Pilots of America.

PoA is a pretty friendly place for pilots to sit on the front porch and discuss a variety of topics. A good way to introduce yourself would be something like this:

Hi, I'm a
[list certificates and ratings] pilot. I fly
[list types] plane out of
[list airports, states, cities, or areas] on [daily, weekly, monthly, infrequent] basis. I have strong opinions on [topics] and would like to discuss them here.
There have been some who barge right in with extreme positions on topics. They frequently get us riled up and they get their head handed back to them on a platter. Others have found that their positions are accepted and debated once the introductions have occurred.

In addition, we have a hidden forum where your opinions are welcome, but you must wear armor plating to enter. You haven't been here long enough to earn a key to this secret garden.
 
1) Don't worry. I have spoken with the koreans and they have apologized and are having a national 'conversation' about this topic.
2) Have you tried landing nosewheel first?
3) Its called a skycrapper for a reason

For what it's worth, the Koreans are quite angry with us for introducing American fast food to their national diet. Rapper Psy used to be a thin man before that.
 
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3) Anyone out there flown the Cessna 162?

Welcome.

Wanted to get back to your other question, also.

A guy at the field had one. I say, "had one," because he moved up to a Comanche, recently. One afternoon he was looking for a safety pilot and I wanted to go for a spin in the 162 anyway, so I volunteered and we spent a good couple of hours punching holes in the sky.

The plane is rather unfinished, IMO. It has all the required parts and a little attention was paid to how it looked but it doesn't make me want to buy one.

I hated the spork, stoke, or stork, or whatever they call that blasted thing that takes the place of a real stick. The slightest movement begets a lot of aircraft movement and has you correcting too much, too close to the ground, for my taste.

The owner said there had been a lot of door latch failures and cessna had to replace doors. Never saw one fail but it does seem floppy.

The Rotax is a zippy little engine, No complaints there. It's loud but that could be because the windshield is so thin, as much as the engine noise. No problem getting off the ground and we were two large American men.

Hope that helps a little.
 
1) Why do we still allow South Koreans into our airspace when they've proven themselves incapable of flying a simple visual approach or recognizing the fact that their autothrottles didn't kick in?

Dear xenophobe new guy dude,

What should we do about all of those South Koreans we allowed into our country to train and hold US Pilot Certificates? Pull them based on nationality? How about naturalized Koreans? Are they OK?

This is the most absurd post I've seen in while.

3) Anyone out there flown the Cessna 162?

No, they're overpriced pieces of Chinese crap.
 
MadTrader here on PoA flew a C162 to the Gaston's event.
 
None of those kids ever experienced actually flying around freely in a 152 and learning how to fly.

Lots of foreigners train in this country. What prevents them from renting the 152 on their weekend off, and flying around freely as you suggest?

-Skip
 
Oh my... I thought this thread would be about someone asking how to start one. :rofl:
 
1.Because 60 years ago we gave them a great opportunity and the have made the best of it. Besides they are authorized to fly here. Is this a real question?:confused:

2. It go bang screeeeeeeeeeech stop.:hairraise:

3. Nope:nonod:
 
Hello New Guy,

I too am new here and have found this Forum/Board to be very helpful, informative and honest. Apparently numerous years/hours of experience among many of the Members, which makes for great "front porch talk", thoughts, opinions and suggestions. I'm sure that you can make it work to your advantage and enjoy communicating with fellow Pilots/Aviation Enthusiast.

In reference to the 162, we (the family) are a "Cessna Family". Unfortunately, we are dissapointed with the 162 project. This may sound narrow minded, but we felt that Cessna should've developed their all-new LSA/Trainer themselves and then built it here in the States.

Have not Piloted one, but have seen one up close, inside and out and agree that the "stoke" is quite awkward and the interior is very "naked"//unfinished for the money.

Also, not a big fan of a high revving Rotax engine, actually thought they were using the Continental or LYC in the 162???

Though the 162 does have more room and some modern appeal, we'd much rather have a heavier/proven 150/152.

Happy landings to you New Guy!:)
 
Also, not a big fan of a high revving Rotax engine, actually thought they were using the Continental or LYC in the 162???

I bet I got that wrong. The plane wasn't such that the details stuck with me. Kind of a 'OK. That's done, then forget about it,' experience.
 
I'm waiting until someone decides to ban US airlines from their airspace because they're all hotdogs who just do what they want and damn the regulations! I mean, the United States has a cultural history of pushing frontiers, right?
 
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