[NA] Call center construction, step 1, new flooring

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The front public area of the yard and my office are undergoing a renovation to install a new call center. First step of the construction process started today: installation of glue down flow.

Some before and after photos available on our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/DentonTruckAutoParts

End result is going to make the place look very nice.
 
He's gonna hire the washed out Chinese pilots from DTO to man it
 
What ? A call center located in the USA ? That can't be right.

Actually more common than you think. The backlash against not being able to communicate with heavily accented people happened about ten years ago, and call centers came back to the States.

My former employer specialized in work-from-home call centers, and were bought by the third largest US call center operator in the country who had contracts with all sorts of businesses who wanted to get away from their India or other outsourcing after customers complained loud and long enough.

The buy-out company also had built all new call centers in relatively depressed economic areas of the US to maximize their tax breaks for bringing business and jobs back to those areas. One of the largest was in rural Arkansas. Most were somewhere in the Midwest due to two major things: Full time zone coverage for the lower 48 was simpler if they were in Central or Mountain, and lack of heavy accents in the staff. (Arkansas was the major exception to that one...)

The merger didn't go all that well, the cultures clashed badly, which ultimately was the reason I left, but the company is still plugging away. Multiple countries and what not.

But there's also a number of reasons they're in third place, and I doubt they'll ever be number two, or number one. Which was another reason I left. Nothing wrong with that, just not ever going to be the best at what they do. Still a lot of money to be made in being third.
 
I also own a trucking company, disassembly line, and a few others.

@Nate, with this being my first run at enterprise level phone software, I'm really chuffed at the features I am getting for the reasonable monthly charge, I have only added about $100 to prior bill, but have nearly tripled the feature and functionality list.
 
@Nate, with this being my first run at enterprise level phone software, I'm really chuffed at the features I am getting for the reasonable monthly charge, I have only added about $100 to prior bill, but have nearly tripled the feature and functionality list.

Yup. Phone systems with massive feature sets have become nearly a commodity. Anyone with an old system may really be missing out at today's prices. Call centers used to require massive ACD routing systems with chassis the size of a refrigerator, now it's all done in software on a smallish server.

I'll remember the days of programming the NEC and later the on-site AT&T Definity G3R fondly, but not really. :) Thank God I never had to deal with Rolm stuff, other than to interface to it at a government site that should have used a forklift to put it in a dumpster ten years before I hooked gear up to it.
 
Interesting. Looking for a new phone system for our office. Our current one is over ten years old.

Are all the new ones voip? Tried that with a 3mb T1 "back in the day". Hated it. Now we have 30mb with options north of 100mb (all fiber).

What are the phone systems folks are having success with?
 
Interesting. Looking for a new phone system for our office. Our current one is over ten years old.

Are all the new ones voip? Tried that with a 3mb T1 "back in the day". Hated it. Now we have 30mb with options north of 100mb (all fiber).

What are the phone systems folks are having success with?

We were looking to roll our own Asterisk with some brand name behind it so there would be support if we left, but Avaya made us a screaming deal through a VAR for an IP Office system that we couldn't turn down.

We looked at about four different systems including two well known Asterisk based brands, and even quotes from Mitel (not even close in price, I wouldn't bother again, ever, and only quoted them because I wanted another quote).

We had some in-place PRI circuits so we decided to keep that setup to feed it, but two of them are technically delivered over VoIP already and were converted in a carrier provided and maintained Adtran. So really a full VoIP conversion would be pretty simple, but we didn't want to deal with the headache of certifying that the carrier wasn't doing stupid incompatible stuff with their VoIP delivery or buy a border gateway for it... so we let them do their Adrian thing. The third PRI is delivered via Fiber via a separate path into the building (and down the street) and is likely ATM based on that, but it's again a "don't care" for us, they convert to a PRI in a Cisco router they provided and maintain.

Both carriers are rock solid with only one outage of any length of time in the last few years, and that was a large scale widespread power outage. If we had generator backup, we'd have had reason to be ticked at the larger carrier, but we went dark for as long as they did, so it didn't matter.

The IP Office has been rock solid. One problem and it's fixed now -- the phones we used are VOIP and we had a specific need for them to work off-site. Firewalls are Checkpoint, and we easily got the phones to do their own IPSEC tunnel back to the correct VLAN and all that stuff from anywhere on the planet, even behind NAT, and it all worked flawlessly. The problem was, Checkpoint followed the spec for renegotiation/rekeying of the tunnel and Avaya didn't. Checkpoint would send the request to rekey, Avaya would ACK and do it, and then continue to jabber away on the previously negotiated network port number, even though the spec says to switch to the newly negotiated one.

We turned in evidence and a ticket that went to tier-4 at Avaya and communication ended.

So, the workaround was to re-key/renegotiate the tunnel only every 24 hours and have the remote folks make sure their phone was rebooted once off-hours by hand so it'd do it off-hours. Worked fine for a year, but was mildly annoying.

New firmware for the phones for general release fixed the problem earlier this year. No communication to us about the fix from Avaya, but it got fixed.

That really has been the only problem.

We also are using third party call center management software and not Avaya's. Theirs is gold plated and we don't need the full feature set. Chronicall is the name of the third party stuff. Works well. Handles all the usual queue reports and call recordings and what not, but does it by simply snagging data from the IP Office hunt groups. Basically turns hunt groups into a mini ACD system. Along with Voice Mail Pro, literally anything can be scripted or even custom database hooks to our databases done.

And we did that for one thing -- but not through VM Pro -- we track the caller from starting agent/queue through any transfers with our own code -- basically we just have the agent push an on screen button in our code to "save" the call ID of the inbound call after they've filled in a case in our system, and then anyone later who talks to that person can hit a "retrieve" button to pull up the case, because we can query their phone and ask it for the call ID they're currently talking to.

We just snag the Call ID out of the PBX after analyzing the API docs a bit, and shove it into our application's DB if the agent hits that save/attach call button.

The attach could have been automated, but management of that business group said they get calls they don't want attached to a case. Basically they have some business rules that start a 72 hour timer if someone contacts us, that they don't want started for various reasons that relate to whether the person appears competent to understand a phone call when they call in. (Long story short: They're often dealing with drug addicts.)

Anyway. System works well. Not a second of downtime on it that hasn't been triggered by external problems unrelated to the phone system.
 
Interesting. Also interesting you did the same thing we did: roll our own call center code - nothing fancy. Would like to finally have an API kit to at least see the phone number at the local extension. Tried that with our old esi system, but decided we were trying something they wanted to charge a lot for (that was 10 years or so ago)..

Avaya - hmm..
 
I'll remember the days of programming the NEC and later the on-site AT&T Definity G3R fondly, but not really. :)
The system we're "leaving" is an NEC Aspire... Before that, a NorTel Meridian....

I hated the NEC system... way to difficult to make a simple change.
 
I hear there are some indians out of a job that you might be able to hire cheap... they have excellent impersonation skills.
 
Interesting. Looking for a new phone system for our office. Our current one is over ten years old.

Are all the new ones voip? Tried that with a 3mb T1 "back in the day". Hated it. Now we have 30mb with options north of 100mb (all fiber).

What are the phone systems folks are having success with?
The one I'm moving onto is Nextiva... What won me over to look at them was two trusted peers who have the system and had lots of good things to say. Then my research showed they have a good product and a top support team.

The onboarding team (the folks who get me from nothing to live) have been super... Though they are busy, always rapidly responsive to my emails and phone calls. We have hit a few snags that aren't their fault that has slowed the conversion process a bit. But they are all about helping me meet my live date.

Price of the subscription under a 3yr commitment turned out to be a push compared to old service. But I went from bare basics with Charter/Spectrum and a POS/PIA PBX system to a modern enterprise level system with a super tanker load of features. Without the enterprise level call center functions, I would have actually saved money. But I want the features offered under the enterprise call center.

And I wanted the analytics since I'm a bit of a numbers nut when it comes to managing this place. One metric I want to eventually get is how average in bound calls needed to create one invoice. Others in my peer group who have call accounting software report between 3.5 to 5.

The 3yr commitment got me a big discount on some of the different subscriptions and licenses, and 6 free VVX400 phones.


If anyone wants to get a demo or talk to my account manager at Nextiva, let me know. If you sign up, I get a small bone for the referral.
 
Interesting. Also interesting you did the same thing we did: roll our own call center code - nothing fancy. Would like to finally have an API kit to at least see the phone number at the local extension. Tried that with our old esi system, but decided we were trying something they wanted to charge a lot for (that was 10 years or so ago)..

Avaya - hmm..

The only thing I hate about our Avaya system is that everything is freaking proprietary and communicates with nothing. If it won't do what you need it to do straight out of the box, be prepared to fork out big bucks to make it happen. Our Genesys phone platform (we are dual redundant) plugs into other apps significantly easier than Avaya.

However, as we are also converting to SalesForce, OpenCTI looks very promising for a lot of basic features to connect to Avaya (case lookup, customer identification, etc.)

Out of wild curiosity, why are you guys not looking at a cloud based phone platform?

TJ


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The only thing I hate about our Avaya system is that everything is freaking proprietary and communicates with nothing. If it won't do what you need it to do straight out of the box, be prepared to fork out big bucks to make it happen. Our Genesys phone platform (we are dual redundant) plugs into other apps significantly easier than Avaya.

However, as we are also converting to SalesForce, OpenCTI looks very promising for a lot of basic features to connect to Avaya (case lookup, customer identification, etc.)

Out of wild curiosity, why are you guys not looking at a cloud based phone platform?

TJ

Avaya does have a call control and data gathering API, the docs are just kinda "hidden". But yes, we were concerned about that also, which is why we used third party call center stuff made by former Avaya engineers. They already went through the brain damage for us. We could steal anything we needed right out of their Postgres DB if we had to. ;)

I can tell you why we didn't go Cloud... have to have redundant internet pipes and go through some specific hoops with most cloud providers to set it up such that their "security" would allow connectivity from either pipe -- which ranged from "these places sound like they have a clue and build two VPN tunnels that always stay up to both sides" to fly by night cloud providers who would literally say, "huh?" when you asked them how an outage to the internet pipe to the office presence location *automatically*. (We didn't want to be sitting on a phone call with their support at midnight forking with routes and VPN tunnel changes and whatnot in the middle of some probably larger weather problem or similar.)

Or as the joke goes, "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer."

We also then aren't subject to outages by their patch schedule, hardware maintenance/failure we can purchase spare equipment and have it on-site or service contracts with 4-hour on-site parts delivery guarantees, etc.

Mostly cloud is fine, but you have to hammer them on business continuity scenarios and issues and they're often not very up-front about it. "Do you have redundant data centers? How many carrier's backbones feed each? Are they geographically diverse?" Blah blah. Tons of questions have to be written for that RFP.

A lot of businesses don't have the Deja Fu to ask those questions. (Deja Fu: Somewhere, sometime, I've been kicked in the head like this before...)
 
Interesting. Also interesting you did the same thing we did: roll our own call center code - nothing fancy. Would like to finally have an API kit to at least see the phone number at the local extension. Tried that with our old esi system, but decided we were trying something they wanted to charge a lot for (that was 10 years or so ago)..

Avaya - hmm..
Avoid Allworx.
I would rather have a rotary phone and dial the operator to make a long distance call than these crappy VOIP phones. Connection quality sucks. Features suck. But i assume they were cheap, as that is the nature of our owners. sometimes the lowest bidder is low for a reason.
 
Or as the joke goes, "There is no cloud. It's just someone else's computer."

More truer words have never been spoken. In 2012 we converted all of our local on premise data centers into CSC controlled data centers, effectively making them our own cloud. That project worked out so "well" we are moving everything as quickly as we can into someone else's cloud. I hope SalesForce is as robust as they made it out to be at DreamForce last week. Only time will tell...

TJ


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Avoid Allworx.
I would rather have a rotary phone and dial the operator to make a long distance call than these crappy VOIP phones. Connection quality sucks. Features suck. But i assume they were cheap, as that is the nature of our owners. sometimes the lowest bidder is low for a reason.

Haven't used those but the phones have all the magic correct marketing words on their website. Even HD audio codecs. But they do look like they're a bit cheap on the build quality.

The audio quality is probably hosed because they didn't buy enough bandwidth to get to the server. That's the usual mistake with off-premise VoIP services. The other part is you really can't control the routing in the Internet for stuff like that unless you buy dedicated circuits to the server site and at that point it makes no financial sense to go off-site in the first place.

But don't worry, Allworx website says they're "Loved by more than 760,000 business users." LOL! :)
 
Two questions to our support team from customers that leave us saying "oh chit":

- we would like to move the server to the cloud
- we just bought a san.

(Oh and smell force).

Then we spend months "fixing our apps" to work with their bad decision.

It took me 25 years to realize I hate computers.
 
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