My first emergency and I didn't get to call it

Skip Miller

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I was involved in a runway incursion yesterday. Fortunately I was the incursee not the incursor!!! Even more fortunately, no skin or tin was damaged, I’m not so sure about the other guy’s ticket, though. If I had a little more time I would have declared an emergency but things happened so fast I was pretty busy just keeping things under control. Here is what happened:

I was doing a few touch and go’s at KHVN, and on the last “go” I smelled a strange odor just as I was rotating. I couldn’t recognize the odor although seemed familiar. I knew it wasn’t smoke from any kind of fire, all the engine gauges were normal, and the plane was flying normally. The odor went away as I climbed away so I continued, with the next stop intended to be my last, back at KHPN, home base. The working assumption was that the odor came from something on the ground.

The flight was routine until the very end. ATIS noted calm winds and the runway was patchy SIRBRAP but with over 6,500 feet in front of me I could just coast and would need minimal braking. I was following a small business jet so in the mighty Archer I set my aiming point beyond the ILS touchdown zone, for potential wake turbulence avoidance.

On final to 34, after clearing me to land, the tower cleared a helicopter to land on Taxiway A with further instructions not to cross 34. Tower then called me and informed me that the helo was making a high approach to A and would stay clear of the runway. So far, so good….

I had just put the mains down when the helicopter descends into my vision (or maybe my vision finally caught the helo, I was concentrating on landing before that) and the helo is centered on the runway, descending with no apparent motion left or right. It descended to an altitude of about 15 feet and appeared to be hovering there! Plan A (rolling long) goes out the window. I didn’t think I could abort the landing and climb over the helo at Vx – he was too close by that time. Plan B was either take off and make an abrupt early turn, or stop now. I went with stop!

Here is where it got exciting! The right brake pedal went to the floor! Suddenly I recognized that odor back at KHVN as brake fluid. Yow! I pushed the yoke in to increase the load on the front wheel to improve its traction and got on the left brake as hard as conditions would allow, using right steering to counteract the yaw. The nose of the plane was jinking right and left as the left wheel and nose wheel alternately lost traction on the SIRBRAP portions of the runway. It was quite a ride! I think I could have stopped in time, but I could not go under him and could not climb over him. I formed plan C which was, if I couldn’t stop, to turn left (the plane seemed really good at that! LOL) and park it in a snowbank. The snow was pretty soft and at the greatly reduced speed I would have hit the snow at, I don’t think much if any damage would have been done. It would have closed KHPN, though, as the only other runway 11-29 was still closed for snow removal.

All this became unnecessary as the helo finally cleared the runway.

This was clearly an emergency situation for me, but I did not declare it due to workload. The brake failure was a total surprise to me. I was firmly in the “Aviate” portion of the old adage “aviate, navigate, communicate.”

The tower, meanwhile, was screaming at the helo to clear the runway. When the helo finally did, the tower told the pilot to call the tower and to have his instructor on the line when he did so. It was evidently a solo student flight.

I taxied back to the tiedown and the single brake caused me more problems on that route than on the runway because the taxiways were all iced over. I was glad to get to the tiedown and pull the red knob! After that, pushing the plane back into the tiedown is still a problem when you are on a taxiway with solid ice, but I got it there without falling on my butt, got it tied down, squawked, etc. etc. I looked at the left brake and the caliper was dangling by what appeared to be one bolt with the brake hose broken. I did not inspect it closely; it was pretty cold and the wind was no longer calm. I’ll report back when I find out what happened.

Now the question. Was that runway incursion on the part of the helo? On one hand, a Class D tower (like KHPN) is responsible for separation ON THE GROUND, and the helo never touched down. On the other hand the tower had cleared me to land and the runway should have belonged to me. Yet it was effectively blocked.

There is clear fault here on the part of the student helo pilot as he disobeyed an ATC instruction. Are there any other apparent faults here? I recognize that I may be criticized for not returning to KHVN to check out the odor, but my decision at the time was to fly home. Given the very brief odor incident with the plane flying normally, I bet most of you would have done the same. It was something on the ground, I thought.

How does a brake line failure at the wheel get odor into the cockpit anyway?

-Skip
 
Looks like it turned out well.

One thing I would like to mention based on my experiance with iced up runways and taxiways. Your wheels do pretty much nothing for you, infact you can't count on them to do anything but prevent your belly and prop from hitting the ground.

The nice thing about an airplane though is we have other types of controls, which are not effected by the ice.

The quickest way to turn the airplane to the left would be left brake, left rudder, and RIGHT aileron. Who cares about the airplane. I'd rather not take a helicopter in the head.

Of course you cannot do this at all airspeeds because you will be hitting your right wing on the ground. But, if you landed full stall or near it you wouldn't have to worry about that. It would push you to the left.

The aileron part of this many nosewheel pilots aren't aware of. But it's something you become very fond of in a light taildragger with crappy brakes that quickly overheat and become useless.

If you apply right aileron, you increase the amount of lift on the left wing along with increased drag. This causes the airplane to yaw to the left.

...Anyways. Good job on your part.

I wouldn't beat yourself up over smelling it and not having it register. I'm sure I would have done the same thing.
 
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Skip Miller said:
This was clearly an emergency situation for me, but I did not declare it due to workload. The brake failure was a total surprise to me. I was firmly in the “Aviate” portion of the old adage “aviate, navigate, communicate.”

Good thing on the "aviate" Skip. Proper proceedure as far as I am concerned.

Now the question. Was that runway incursion on the part of the helo?

Yes.

On one hand, a Class D tower (like KHPN) is responsible for separation ON THE GROUND, and the helo never touched down. On the other hand the tower had cleared me to land and the runway should have belonged to me. Yet it was effectively blocked.

Well, from the tower's perspective, they may not have been able to tell where the helo was going until too late. Clearly the helo's fault as far as I can tell.

Are there any other apparent faults here?

Not that I can tell.

I recognize that I may be criticized for not returning to KHVN to check out the odor, but my decision at the time was to fly home.

FWIW, I would have done the same thing.

How does a brake line failure at the wheel get odor into the cockpit anyway?

-Skip

You would be amazed. I get odors in the cabin occasionally that I don't think should be there. Can't answer that one.

On a different note, how would you like to land a 737 at New Haven? I used to do that on a semi regular basis when I was flying that route at UAL. I enjoyed the challenge.
 
Greg Bockelman said:
On a different note, how would you like to land a 737 at New Haven? I used to do that on a semi regular basis when I was flying that route at UAL. I enjoyed the challenge.
I'm assuming both of your brakes were working! LOL!

-Skip
 
Hi Skip,

I'd first like to start out with nice job! I'm really surprised they didn't give the helicoper taxiway Hotel west of runway 34 so it wouldn't conflict with you. Anyways, the local control position looks out at about a 010 heading and is on the west side of the Tower (see attached picture) so TWR is looking at the DBRITE as well and is not on the same side of the tower as the runway is. Also--There are no supervisors in the Tower on Saturdays, but that shouldn't have been a factor.

You did the RIGHT thing! Whatever worked for you was the right thing actually. :goofy:

...now a few questions for you...

How far out were you when the heli got ldg clearance and how far out were you?

Did HPN ever tell the helo "remain east/west of the runway 34 extended centerline, traffic on a X mile final/base" That is a common phrase I hear from them and curious if they said it in this instance.

What FBO do you use/keep the plane at? I'd hate to clear 34 on Foxtrot and then have to taxi to Panorama with break fluid all over the taxiway. I'm sure you used your best judgment in this though.

What time did this occur? I provide a feed to www.LiveATC.net and monitor HPN TWR, BDR TWR, and Boston Center and have "tapes" or archives so I might be able to get some clips of TWR (but not the pilot, since I'm about 20 miles east of the field).

The supervisors in the TWR are VERY friendly and the TWR chief is nice. If you feel it's needed, call up the TWR (PM for # if needed) and ask for a time to review how it was handled and possibly listen to the tapes to see what went wrong. That way you AND the controllers can learn from it.

Again, great job, and speak to you soon!

Jason

Attached Picture (#1) of HPN Tower cab:
Middle controller = local (has to turn head right to see 29 and/or 34)
Left = ground
Right = supervisor

NOTE: Right to the right of the GND controllers neck is the HPN Ground Radar feed if that helps in anyones perspective. The white markings on the runway are on 11-29

#2 = Local Control Position w/ controller
#3 = Direction local control position faces in TWR (slighly left of position)
 
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Skip Miller said:
How does a brake line failure at the wheel get odor into the cockpit anyway?

The brake master cylinders are on the rudder pedals, there is brake fluid in those cylinders, so, if a seal fails you have brake fluid in the cockpit.

jangell said:
The quickest way to turn the airplane to the left would be left brake, left rudder, and RIGHT aileron. ...Of course you cannot do this at all airspeeds because you will be hitting your right wing on the ground. But, if you landed full stall or near it you wouldn't have to worry about that. It would push you to the left.

The aileron part of this many nosewheel pilots aren't aware of. But it's something you become very fond of in a light taildragger with crappy brakes that quickly overheat and become useless.

If you apply right aileron, you increase the amount of lift on the left wing along with increased drag. This causes the airplane to yaw to the left.

This is a bad idea if the left brake is functioning and the goal is a left turn. The aerodynamic drag of the lowered left aileron is inconsequential with respect to the braking force of the left brake/tire. On the other hand, the increased aerodynamic lift of the left aileron is quite consequential with respect to lifting the left wheel off the ground and thereby completely negating the braking force of the left brake/wheel (see your comment regarding dragging the right wing).
 
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Skip;

Glad it worked out for you. You did everything right and the best part under the conditions ice patches on runway etc. you did not get hurt.

John
 
Skip Miller said:
Now the question. Was that runway incursion on the part of the helo? On one hand, a Class D tower (like KHPN) is responsible for separation ON THE GROUND, and the helo never touched down. On the other hand the tower had cleared me to land and the runway should have belonged to me. Yet it was effectively blocked.

There is clear fault here on the part of the student helo pilot as he disobeyed an ATC instruction. Are there any other apparent faults here?
-Skip
I agree that the student screwed up -- it sounds to me like the tower was pretty explicit in his clearance for the helicopter.

There may have been some culpability on the part of the tower -- knowing they had a student, they probably should have asked him to confirm that he had his landing spot in sight (in this case the taxiway).

I remember as an RH student when I did my 3 patterns at a controlled field at Lancaster, PA (KLNS). I didn't have a CFI on board because I piggy-backed the patterns onto my long cross country. The tower asked my destination on the field -- I replied the pilot shop. They then asked if I wanted the runway or the Airways ramp (where the pilot shop is). I asked for the ramp. When I was on final the tower asked me to confirm I had the Airways ramp in sight. I think that was smart on their part -- just making sure we were all singing from the same sheet of music...

The instructor may have been at fault as well -- I know of one school where they train students to almost always use the runway -- a taxiway in this case is unfamiliar terratory and that might be a problem in the higher stress of the solos. (My CFI had me land in all kinds of places other than a runway when I was a student, and so following an instruction to land on a taxiway or elsewhere was sort of second nature for me).

I'm just happy that you avoided exchanging paint! :yes:
 
HPNPilot1200 said:
Hi Skip,

I'd first like to start out with nice job!
Thanks!
...now a few questions for you... How far out were you when the heli got ldg clearance and how far out were you?
I had turned final. Tower called my base so I can't give you a good estimate of how far out I was. One mile would be a good guess.
Did HPN ever tell the helo "remain east/west of the runway 34 extended centerline, traffic on a X mile final/base" That is a common phrase I hear from them and curious if they said it in this instance.
The first part, definitely. I don't remember the last part.
What FBO do you use/keep the plane at? I'd hate to clear 34 on Foxtrot and then have to taxi to Panorama with break fluid all over the taxiway.
Then you hate it! Panorama. BTW all of the brake fluid was gone by the time I turned off the runway; I'd been pumping it like crazy trying to pump some life into the brakes. Taxi route was Foxtrot/Runway 29/Charlie.
What time did this occur?
Best guess is 3:45 - 4:15pm. I was on the cell to the maintenance co-ordinator of the club at 4:45pm. N17AV.
The supervisors in the TWR are VERY friendly and the TWR chief is nice. If you feel it's needed, call up the TWR (PM for # if needed) and ask for a time to review how it was handled and possibly listen to the tapes to see what went wrong. That way you AND the controllers can learn from it.
Thanks for the offer but I will file a NASA form instead - so the incident may get into the system and do some good. HPN is already a "super D" airport, in that VFR traffic must contact approach before landing, and recently in response to a controller confusion as to whether a departing airplane was IFR or VFR, VFR traffic must call clearance delivery to get a strip made out for them. The tower screwed up and instead of better trained tower personnel we get a new procedure. If this will blow over I'll let it do that. But I do think that the information could be useful in the NASA archives.

Ed Guthrie said:
The brake master cylinders are on the rudder pedals, there is brake fluid in those cylinders, so, if a seal fails you have brake fluid in the cockpit.
That would indeed do it, Ed. In this case, however, the caliper was nearly off the wheel and the cockpit floor had no brake fluid on it. The problem was outside.

-Skip
 
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Thanks for all the info, Skip. I hope I didn't seem biased earlier towards the heli and not the Tower. This stuff happens, and I think a NASA report is a good idea. I also think that if this was such a serious matter, you may want to consider sending that NASA report to the Tower for future reference.

I heard that new procedure on the ATIS the other day and didn't know why....thanks for explaning. Was there a certain incident that caused this?

I really think the helicopters arriving/departing HPN should be required to follow the specific helicopter routing(s) [if they aren't already].

Thanks again,

Jason

P.S. I know Gil and Sal have their planes at Panorama as well, we should all meet up sometime for a dose of hangar flying. My dad used to fly part 135 for them in the early 80's so I've met Gene and the bunch over there. I like going in the summer to the friday BBQ (AKA: Free lunch) He now flys for CitationShares which are those citations in the same paint that have the tailnumber: NXXXCS. I am planning on meeting up with a friend in a few weeks there and heading up to the tower again. Let me know if you'd like to join, and I'll see if they can fit an extra one in the elevator (although it's $*&#$& small).
 
Jason, do let us know if you can find that in the archives somewhere ... I would love to hear it! (um, easy for me to say, seeing as how I was not on the pointy end of it!!)
 
etsisk said:
Jason, do let us know if you can find that in the archives somewhere ... I would love to hear it! (um, easy for me to say, seeing as how I was not on the pointy end of it!!)
Arg, stupid Murphies Law...when I need the archive for a purpose it's down from 1PM to 4PM. I can only listen after 4PM, so maybe I'll catch the tail end of it....I'll go listen for 17AV and will report back :yes:

Skip, I hear 0SP on downwind....were you before or after her? Was the helicopter "5-6-Juliet?" Still tracking it down...
 
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Skip Miller said:
How does a brake line failure at the wheel get odor into the cockpit anyway?

-Skip

Good job. As to the smell in the cockpit, the master cylinders for the brakes are on the pedals and the lines run from there. You have quite a bit of hydraulic connection in the plane.
 
Hi Skip, Jason and the other,

Yesterday, my son and I landed very close to 4:00 pm at HPN on Rwy 34. My son was flying my plane. I can tell you the controller had her hands full. She cleared us to land #2 following a Mooney on final almost over the shoreline, then added "5288T give me some room to allow a departure between the mooney and you." When we were on the 3 mile final, she instructed a jet to get into position and hold, clearing him for takeoff a few seconds later. We were almost over the numbers when the jet finally lifted off. I know you can do these things, but yesterday, with all the snow and the poor braking was not the best time to get so tight. Believe me, I have my stories about HPN controllers, nice guys and gals but sometimes get way over their heads. The questionable controller's judgement (in my opinion) and what Bob said contributed to the situation you were involved. The final responsibility is with the helo pilot but...

Jason, Can you send me a link to the feed? I want to hear our communication with the tower.
 
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Skip,

I have a friend who works for the FAA. His name is Dan Cilli. Even though he is in the southeast region I am sure he can direct you in the right direction if you need anymore help. He is a an Air Traffic Specialist, and is always speaking at our Wings Days on Runway Incursions and how to avoid them.

http://www.faa.gov/aso/Runway_Safety/Team.htm

His name is the 2nd one on the list.

Brook
 
TeenDoc said:
Hi Skip, Jason and the other,

Yesterday, my son and I landed very close to 4:00 pm at HPN on Rwy 34. My son was flying my plane. I can tell you the controller had her hands full. She cleared us to land #2 following a Mooney on final almost over the shoreline, then added "5288T give me some room to allow a departure between the mooney and you." When we were on the 3 mile final, she instructed a jet to get into position and hold, clearing him for takeoff a few seconds later. We were almost over the numbers when the jet finally lifted off. I know you can do these things, but yesterday, with all the snow and the poor braking was not the best time to get so tight. Believe me, I have my stories about HPN controllers, nice guys and gals but sometimes get way over their heads. The questionable controller's judgement (in my opinion) and what Bob said contributed to the situation you were involved. The final responsibility is with the helo pilot but...

Jason, Can you send me a link to the feed? I want to hear our communication with the tower.
So that was you, Gil! I'll try and cut the clip down to just your communications with the tower, and cut out all the ZBW chatter.

The direct link to my feed is in my signature, but to access the archives, please visit this site:

http://www.liveatc.net/archive.php

I will have the clip done in the next hour or so and will post it here. She did sound very busy and if you have any concerns contact the TWR. Also, if anyone ever has troubles at N90 (NY TRACON) I have Doug A's (LGA Supervisor) LGA area phone number that goes directly to the operational/radar room or his office.

In reality, HPN is just as busy as a class C field, but due to being under the Bravo and other airspace/traffic flow factors, is still classified as a class D. It can get very hectic at times and ATS's can both be excellent and poor depending on how long they've been on shift, what shift, traffic levels, etc, etc....


Let me go do my thing...:goofy:

HPNPilot1200 said:
Let me go do my thing...:goofy:
Unfortunately, Gil, the feed was down until *JUST* before 4PM, so I only have your landing clearance...

I attached it ;)

Jason

Attachment #1 = Gil in N5288T
To get the full clip of HPN/BDR/ZBW from 4PM to 4:30PM (it was *VERY* busy) please click here or right click this link and click "save as" to download the file "KBDR-Dec-10-05-1600.mp3" NOTE: Available for 14 days only! If you want it for longer, please download it to your computer.
 
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Thanks a lot Jason. That was my son acknowledging the last instruction just before actually landing. Take care.
 
Skip Miller said:
This was clearly an emergency situation for me, but I did not declare it due to workload. The brake failure was a total surprise to me. I was firmly in the “Aviate” portion of the old adage “aviate, navigate, communicate.”

IMHO: You actually have a real full blown emergency and you're actually paying attention to what's going on when you're too busy to be yakking on the radio. A formal declaration is just a useless record keeping issue that you can do if you have time. (I often wondered about the guy that had his only engine seize in the pattern and politely asked the tower for permission to land while gliding past the far end of a 2 mile long runway)

You did good. You put together a plan that worked and also as a minor unimportant side effect, managed to not bend anything serious in the process.
 
First, good job -- if nothing was bent and nobody got hurt, you could not have done better. The only thing you might have done more would have been to keep one eye on the helo during the approach, which might have given you earlier warning of his incursion, but your first responsibility is flying your airplane, not his.

Second, yes, based on your narrative, that's a real no-foolin' runway incursion on the part of the helo, and the PIC of that helo (and his instructor, if he was solo) is in deep doo-doo.

Third, Tower's responsibility for separation ends with his compliance with his own standards and procedures. He is not responsible if someone violates their clearance in a way that leaves him inadequate time to react to the problem with a new set of instructions.

Finally, write that whole thing up on an ASRS form and send it in -- there are always lessons to be learned, and we don't learn them if we don't document them.
 
HPNPilot1200 said:
My dad now flys for CitationShares which are those citations in the same paint that have the tailnumber: NXXXCS.

Just curious: My next-door neighbor is USN(Ret); former TWA and American Airlines; now flies for Citation Shares. Ask your Dad if he knows Tom Little.

HR
 
Lawreston said:
Just curious: My next-door neighbor is USN(Ret); former TWA and American Airlines; now flies for Citation Shares. Ask your Dad if he knows Tom Little.

HR
Excel Captain? He's on vacation now (my dad) but I see he's an Excel Captain and his PM is Chris Cristiano, the most funny guy I've met in my life. Next time you see him say, "talk to ya lata my friend" and see if he says anything....haha

I'll ask my dad once he's back from vacation.
 
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HPNPilot1200 said:
Excel Captain? He's on vacation now (my dad) but I see he's an Excel Captain and his PM is Chris Cristiano, the most funny guy I've met in my life. Next time you see him say, "talk to ya lata my friend" and see if he says anything....haha

I'll ask my dad once he's back from vacation.

Tom, I think, is not Captain, but FO; and he moved up to the Excel when the planes went on-line.

HR
 
Lawreston said:
Tom, I think, is not Captain, but FO; and he moved up to the Excel when the planes went on-line.

HR

Find out... I see him listed on the Captain list, but maybe they put it in the wrong area. I'll again, ask my dad when he gets back. I don't know him personally, but maybe he met him.
 
Re: My first emergency - postmortem

Although I'm still uncertain as to exactly what the damage to the plane was (two people have told me differing things) it is clear that a) the brake caliper broke in the vicinity of the bolt holes, or b) the bolts sheared off. Possibly both!

The caliper (normally in front of the wheel) was found lodged in the scissor mechanism at the rear of the wheel, held to the plane by the brake hose. There was some slight damage to the scissor as well.

The damage is minor; the plane is expected to be back on the flight line today.

-Skip

fgcason said:
IMHO: You actually have a real full blown emergency and you're actually paying attention to what's going on when you're too busy to be yakking on the radio. A formal declaration is just a useless record keeping issue that you can do if you have time.
I've been thinking about this, Frank, and I think you are wrong.

I did not call because I was busy flying the plane. But I needed help! I wanted the Tower to train the Phalanx system on the helo and move what remaind of him off the runway with about 200 lbs of high-speed depleted uranium.

It did become unnecessary, though. The tower was on top of this (tower was talking to the helo, trying to move him off the runway). It would have been a less-than-useful use of my internal cpu bandwidth to find the button and the right words.

Incidentally, the tower was very calm and controlled when he talked to the helo. I'm sure they are trained for this. If he really started yelling at the student pilot it is possible that the S.P. would freeze in place. I have been told by a Tower controller at JFK that they have to sense how competent incoming pilots are with english and modulate the pace of their delivery accordingly. They surely don't want a heavy driver freezing!

-Skip
 
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Lawreston said:
Just curious: My next-door neighbor is USN(Ret); former TWA and American Airlines; now flies for Citation Shares. Ask your Dad if he knows Tom Little.

HR

Sorry to bring this back from last week/2, but my dad IMed me last night saying while he was in APA for the night, he met up with 3 other CitationShares Excel/XLS crews. He also mentioned Tom Little was there so I suppose he knows him!

Jason
 
HPNPilot1200 said:
my dad IMed me last night saying while he was in APA for the night
And he didn't stop and say hi? Oh, that's right, I wasn't there last night, I was back in your area. :dunno:
 
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