My club's plane just landed gear-up

[ebykowsky]

But fortunately not due to pilot error, and nobody was hurt. The pilot also shut off the engine beforehand, so it should only need minor repairs. Very well handled landing by the PIC.

http://www.thekathrynreport.com/2014/09/piper-pa-28r-200-n1963t-incident.html?m=1

 

[evapilotaz]

Are you sure about the minor repairs? Did the prop hit?

 

[warthog1984]

Are you sure about the minor repairs? Did the prop hit?

If the engine wasn't turning, it's not a teardown.

 

[evapilotaz]

Ok the prop doesn't look bent. So it wasn't turning.

 

[ja_user]

I really don't understand shutting down the engine. Didn't the insurance get a claim on the gear up anyway?

 

[timwinters]

I really don't understand shutting down the engine. Didn't the insurance get a claim on the gear up anyway?

I believe it's prorated depending upon engine time.

Isn't there already a thread about this here with video?

Edit: I believe this is the same event:

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74803

 

[Greg Bockelman]

If the engine wasn't turning, it's not a teardown.

If the prop touched, it WILL require a teardown. At least that is how I understand it. If it didn't hit, then more than likely not.

 

[Greg Bockelman]

I really don't understand shutting down the engine. Didn't the insurance get a claim on the gear up anyway?

Exactly. All it did was save the insurance company some money. Unless, of course, the airplane was self-insured.

 

[evapilotaz]

I would think in the Emergency checklist gear up landing checklist as the last items. would be to fuel control to off, master off, avionics off.

Forgive me if I'm wrong. I do not fly RG.

 

[Katamarino]

The prop touched. I shut the mixture off on very very short final, when I was already committed to the landing, but the prop was still windmilling.

The other thread is here, with video:

http://www.pilotsofamerica.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74803

 

[ja_user]

Couldn't really tell much by the video, but good job bringing it in.

 

[rbridges]

If the prop touched, it WILL require a teardown. At least that is how I understand it. If it didn't hit, then more than likely not.

I agree. Even if it weren't under power, an impact with the prop will more than likely require an IRAN.

 

[ebykowsky]

Ah, that's right--forgot you were on here Ross! Well done!!!

 

[Arrow115]

As an arrow owner myself I am curious, what caused the gear to get stuck up?

 

[Katamarino]

Don't know yet. Airplane was put away in a hangar for the FAA to inspect it yesterday. I'll chat to our mechanic when I fly on Thursday and find out more.

 

[Henning]

The only time someone gets hurt in a gear up is when they do something to spare damage to the plane.

 

[rbridges]

The only time someone gets hurt in a gear up is when they do something to spare damage to the plane.

I wonder what percentage of people see a gear up coming? My guess would be that for every 1 pilot in this situation, there are 20 that simply forget to drop the gear.

 

[F01LA]

It's been awhile since I've gotten that much applause for a landing.

 

[petrolero]

There are times when you can safely kill the engine. Such as when there are two pilots aboard. If you are in the flare, killing the engine isn't that big a deal. Hell many checklists call for turning the fuel off anyway.

Now killing the engine too early or trying to get slick and bump the starter if you're the only pilot on board is asking for disaster.

 

[timwinters]

The only time someone gets hurt in a gear up is when they do something to spare damage to the plane.

Have any data to back up that assertion?

 

[Henning]

Have any data to back up that assertion?

There was an analysis someone did thought the NTSB records that showed the only times people getting seriously injured or killed was when either tried to depart after tagging the props or had cut the engine power and came up short in the glide to impact with some feature. Sorry, I don't store these things. Watch any video of a gear up, it's always a non event. Of course I'm limiting this to GA, airliners have a lot more ability to have it go wrong.