MSFS2020 Disappointment thread

Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Mtns2Skies, Aug 25, 2020.

  1. Jeff Oslick

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    For those of you who feel MSFS or X-Plane are worthless or worse-than-worthless for primary training, what was your exposure to these flight sims before you started your training for private?

    I started using the SubLOGIC flight sim as a young kid, and continued using it through my private (1995) and instrument (2002) training. It is a procedures trainer. It teaches you the basics of flight control. It teaches you navigation. That it doesn't simulate stall and spins correctly is inconsequential. No non-motion simulator could ever due an adequate job of simulating those sensations.

    For that matter, even primary training does a very limited job of teaching stall and spin behavior. You're up there in a 172, just you and instructor and forward CG, but the plane will respond quite differently at max gross weight near the aft CG limit.
     
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  2. sarangan

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    I've spent more hours than I can count on the sublogic flight simulators from late 80's. Its great because you really have to use your imagination to picture the scenery around you :) Who needs 4K resolution when your mind has a much higher resolution?
     
  3. nauga

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    *You* did, but I haven't seen where *they* did.

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    and his rotary balance
     
  4. denverpilot

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    Was part of their early marketing materiel.

    But... I should also know better. Ha.

    Yay marketing wank! :)
     
  5. hish747

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    Dude, you are singing my song! I started with SubLOGIC Flight Assignment ATP, moved onto FS98, Sierra ProPilot and then X-Plane. (I'm actually responsible for the timer in the aircraft) I was hopeful for FS2020 but they made testers pay for an Alpha product and I'm ambivalent about that.

    Back to the point, these sims are invaluable as familiarization tools and procedures trainers. My first formal private lesson, I was able to land the plane and the instructor looked at me sideways and said "Hish, are you with the FAA?" That had me beaming even if he was just blowing smoke. But I'd say yah, those flight sims were huge in my early days of learning flying. One more thing...FS2020 is atrocious.
    Hish
     
  6. Sierra_Hotel

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    Huh?
     
  7. bflynn

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    So, I have not given up on FS2020.

    This evening I figured out where to find the FSX simconnect files and installed them. FS2020 will use those for most things, but it doesn't appear it otherwise has a working version of simconnect. Or maybe it does, but the bridge program I needed required a specific version of simconnect, which isn't the FS2020 version. I downloaded from this site, I have no responsibility for what you do. http://www.fspassengers.com/?action=simconnect Once installed, you have FSX simconnect. If you previously had FSX with simconnect installed, then you're probably using that version and it appears it has always worked.

    As a result of that, I was able to get my Simionic G1000 PFD/MFD bezels up and running too. There's issues still, but it's better. The AP run by Simionic is funky and wobbles either up/down or rolls left right a degree or two every second, it's pretty uncomfortable to watch, but they're working on it. The AP also has a big pitch issue. I didn't catch it, but something in the AP reset the trim to very nose high so that when I disengaged it, the airplane stalled.

    Growing pains, it still works on XPlane and works much better there.
     
  8. Ryan A

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    I used P3D/X-Plane for 7 years before getting my PPL this July, and I absolutely attribute the fact that I got my license right at 40 hours to all that simulator work over the years.

    VATSIM played a big role too, communications wise.
     
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    I see all sorts of unnatural structures in FS2020. This image is taken close to the Sporty's airport (Batavia, OH). You can see mesa structures like in the desert southwest, except these have trees growing along the side walls. Very bizarre. Obviously, no such thing really exists in this part of Ohio.

    I69 (1).png
     
  10. bflynn

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    Oh - and I lucked into a 1.2m score landing at Courcheval, which I think is pretty good given the difficulty in getting the sim to act the way an airplane would (0 throttle / nose up => 20k climb and increasing airspeed? In a Robin?)
     
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    Those scenery bugs will be worked out. There is AI that determines height, and what things look like. Globally, there are issues!
     
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    Thanks for all the commentary on the new M$ Flight Simulator. Even though it's M$2020, I just can't clearly see ;) buying and installing it any time soon.

    As it is, I'm mostly finishing rebuilding my PC after crashing it up trying to overclock a new set of memory so I could have an overkill amount of level 1 cache to use with my copy of PrimoCache! I think, when I have some free time, I can start installing FSX:SE, then all the 3rd party add-ons I've accumulated over the years.

    BTW, I bumped the memory voltage up a bit, and it runs fine, slightly over-clocked, now.
     
  13. Jim K

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    Read an article today that the next update is expected in the next couple days and is supposed to address complaints about ATC as well as GA avionics among other things.
     
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    For further disappointment, the Honeycomb yoke is backordered. Amazon has the prices jacked to $450+ but Sporties and others still have them for $250ish but backordered through at least October. I’m waiting also for that timeframe for the 3080 gpu.

    I hate the control setup in MSFS 2020. It’s annoying guesswork to figure out which axis will work with what.

    Also, is there a way to reduce the upper end sensitivity setting? Xplane lets you drag the top range up and down but I’m not seeing that in 2020.
     
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    Those $450 prices are eBay pirates.

    I have read of a bug with brake pedals treating the midpoint as neutral, but no other control issues. To calibrate, you need to use an external program to press the pedals down to the halfway point, then calibrate them in FS2020. That would explain why I cannot stop in a 172
     
  16. Sierra_Hotel

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    The flight sim control market is truly insane right now. Thankfully I was able to get in on the presale for the Honeycomb Bravo throttle. I’ve been wanting to upgrade my X52 stick and throttle to a Warthog as well but not right now.
     
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    I thought about getting in on that Bravo presales, too. However, I decided I'd wait until MSFS2020 has released a few updates and such. No point in letting the Bravo sit around unused like my Alpha at the moment, although I guess I could fire up FSX. I figure it'll give Honeycomb users a chance to discover any flaws in the next few months as well. If the Charlie pedals are anything like the Alpha/Bravo components, I'll probably end up with the trifecta.
     
  18. Sierra_Hotel

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    I have a solid xplane setup for IFR practice so I’ll still get use out of it until MSFS catches up. Has any info on the pedals been released?
     
  19. SoonerAviator

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    Not that I've seen. I think they were supposed to be announcing the Charlie line back at the FlightSim Expo in April but obviously that got nixed. They were reportedly supposed to come out Q1 2021 if that timeline still holds. Remains to be seen what the pricing will be ($250 seems to be a theme), but I'd guess the Thrustmater TPR is the closest competition.
     
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