More Q's for the Cap'ns here. Concordia

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Looking through the photos,
- the gash is on the seaward side of the ship, not the landward side. Not too unusual I guess.
- the ship rolled away from the gash, I guess as the ship went aground it immediately listed away from the rocks because it is being pushed up on that side? Then water fills the lower (starboard) side?
-huh. A black box on the outside of the ship, too.
-am I wrong, or armchair blathering to say it looks to me that he was about...a nautical mile way too close to the shoreline assuming the photos give the approximate location of the initial contact? The 'stack' is almost touching land!
-what is all the anxiety about 'captain staying with the ship'? Seems a bit archaic to me, is there a truly practical reason for that person to be on board til the last person leaves in this day and age, especially in a ship of 4200? My guess is the captain has no clue of how many pax remain, where they are, nor would rescuers seriously take direction from someone in distress, possibly injured, maybe not in their right mind.....and that the 'staying with the ship' is more of a tribute to days gone by in view of the availability of modern, well-trained rescue crews.
 

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IIRC, the ship touched ground elsewhere and the guy driving the ship tried to ground it closer to shore, supposedly to more easily evacuate the ship or to make rescue easier. If true, there could be several hull punctures.

As for "staying with the ship"- initially, the captain should be in charge of the initial evacuation efforts. Evacuating the ship != rescue as they are going from a dangerous situation to a less dangerous one. Something like Sully directing how to evacuate the plane. The police and or coast guard actually rescued people from the striken plane.
 
Let'sgoflying! said:
-what is all the anxiety about 'captain staying with the ship'? Seems a bit archaic to me, is there a truly practical reason for that person to be on board til the last person leaves in this day and age, especially in a ship of 4200? My guess is the captain has no clue of how many pax remain, where they are, nor would rescuers seriously take direction from someone in distress, possibly injured, maybe not in their right mind.....and that the 'staying with the ship' is more of a tribute to days gone by in view of the availability of modern, well-trained rescue crews.
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The ships Station Bill will read in all emergency situations: "Captain, on bridge, in command coordinating efforts and communications. Mate, on scene command...".

The captain to this day and age is STILL the last survivor off the ship. The captain of course does not know how many people are left on board. That is the crew's duty to provide him with that information, on the bridge.

The captain should not have been in panic or distress and you bet your a$$ that the rescuers will take their orders from him if he is in the position to give them. Until he is relieved of the duty by a responsible party, the law says everybody answers to them, that is why they are on the bridge and the last man off (or until relieved, typically by the salvors).

As far as "Modern Trained Rescue Crews" go, most ships spent about 1% of their time or less within a range of those crews that would relieve the necessity of the ships compliment to effect a self rescue.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
IIRC, the ship touched ground elsewhere and the guy driving the ship tried to ground it closer to shore, supposedly to more easily evacuate the ship or to make rescue easier. If true, there could be several hull punctures.

As for "staying with the ship"- initially, the captain should be in charge of the initial evacuation efforts. Evacuating the ship != rescue as they are going from a dangerous situation to a less dangerous one. Something like Sully directing how to evacuate the plane. The police and or coast guard actually rescued people from the striken plane.
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Bingo, Cap'n Jack.......

Sully and Skiles were the last ones off the plane AFTER they confirmed all actions were performed to maximize the safe ending of a very scary episode... The saying the "captian is the last one off" is sooo very true, in this wreck and all the others throughout time..... IMHO.

Ben.
 
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After watching that power point I'll say this they did a superb job of lashing the deck chairs down.:mad:
 
Henning said:
The captain to this day and age is STILL the last survivor off the ship.

.....you bet your a$$ that the rescuers will take their orders from him if he is in the position to give them.
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All correct. Remember Sully walked the aisle of the floating A-320 to personally verify that the evacuation was complete. When he reported that to the rescue fleet, nobody else needed to re-verify.

-Skip
 
A friend sent me this.

John


The current plight of the Costa Concordia reminds me of a comment made by Churchill.



After his retirement he was cruising the Mediterranean on an Italian cruise liner and some Italian journalists asked why an ex British Prime Minister should chose an Italian ship.


“There are three things I like about being on an Italian cruise ship” said Churchill.


“First their cuisine is unsurpassed. Second their service is superb. And then, in time of emergency, there is none of this nonsense about women and children first”.
 
keep in mind the Captain found himself in cuffs shortly after their coast guard and police showed up. he's under house arrest until trial.

i recall reading they were somewhere near 2.5 miles off course when the initial rock was hit. they then came closer to shore in order to make evacuation easier. the bottom of that ship must look like a cheese grater at this point though. hit a rock then grounded and its been shifting due to high seas as well.
 
:eek:It will be VERY interesting to see them salvage this fiasco from the place where it lays..... my guess is they will weld/patch/temp cover the leaks, pump it out and drag it back to where it was built for drydock repairs.... it is gonna cost 10's of millions I am sure...... :yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:

Ben.
 
N801BH said:
:eek:It will be VERY interesting to see them salvage this fiasco from the place where it lays..... my guess is they will weld/patch/temp cover the leaks, pump it out and drag it back to where it was built for drydock repairs.... it is gonna cost 10's of millions I am sure...... :yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:

Ben.
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They gotta clean up the wreck anyway. It wouldn't surprise me if this ship is simply renamed after salvage or sold to another line and renamed.
 
Henning said:
The captain should not have been in panic or distress and you bet your a$$ that the rescuers will take their orders from him if he is in the position to give them.
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Yep. The passengers are dependent on the crew for self-rescue procedures. If the captain abandons the ship, how can you expect the crew to stay on stations? Then what happens to the passengers, who are their responsibility?

The crew takes the lead from their captain. It has always been thus.
The captain does not have the option of declaring "every man for himself".

I lead our hazardous materials response. I have always told our folks, and it has always been, that I am the first one in and the last one out.
 
Hey, what happened there beats what happened on the MTS Oceanos.

Ship was sinking, crew didn't sound any alarm, took the first lifeboats to get off board and left the two entertainers as the only crewmembers behind.

(well, maybe doesn't 'beat' it as all souls got off the Oceanos despite the crews best efforts and a number of people died on the Costa Concordia)
 
N801BH said:
:eek:It will be VERY interesting to see them salvage this fiasco from the place where it lays..... my guess is they will weld/patch/temp cover the leaks, pump it out and drag it back to where it was built for drydock repairs.... it is gonna cost 10's of millions I am sure...... :yesnod::yesnod::yesnod:

Ben.
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Unless you're referring to just getting it to the dry dock, you need to add a zero to that.
 
Stay with it - after showing off the ship there are the pictures of the accident and then pictures of rescue.





This is the best information I have seen concerning the Cruise Ship Costa Concordia running a ground in Italy. Great presentation of the ship’s accommodations, restaurants, swimming pools etc and of course many never seen before photos of the disaster.





http://www.kizoa.de/diashow/d2197002k3297031o1/costa-concordiap2diaporama%20kizoa











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The dangerous manoeuvre that caused the Costa Concordia cruise ship to crash into rocks off the shore of the Italian island of Giglio last month was likely the result of a rivalry between its captain and that of another ship to see who could get closest to the island when sounding the customary salute that vessels give when passing shore.Concordia's captain, Francesco Schettino, had sent an email just weeks before the Jan. 13 disaster to another captain who had managed to sound his ship's horn from closer than the eight kilometres considered safe.

http://naftrade.weebly.com/3/post/2012/02/concordia-captains-stunt-blamed-for-cruise-wreck.html
 
Henning said:
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The dangerous manoeuvre that caused the Costa Concordia cruise ship to crash into rocks off the shore of the Italian island of Giglio last month was likely the result of a rivalry between its captain and that of another ship to see who could get closest to the island when sounding the customary salute that vessels give when passing shore.Concordia's captain, Francesco Schettino, had sent an email just weeks before the Jan. 13 disaster to another captain who had managed to sound his ship's horn from closer than the eight kilometres considered safe.

http://naftrade.weebly.com/3/post/2012/02/concordia-captains-stunt-blamed-for-cruise-wreck.html
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Sounds like the nautical version of aviations "Now Watch This".
 
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