Mike Wallace Died

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Age 93.

Started working in radio in the 30's. Vietnam reporter, 60 Mins, what a news icon.
 
Age 93.

Started working in radio in the 30's. Vietnam reporter, 60 Mins, what a news icon.
RIP.

What are we left with now? Extremists that claim to be reporters, don't care about the facts, but care about ratings. Sigh.
 
Are we to believe that 60 Minutes didn't/doesn't care about ratings?

RIP.

What are we left with now? Extremists that claim to be reporters, don't care about the facts, but care about ratings. Sigh.
 
Are we to believe that 60 Minutes didn't/doesn't care about ratings?

Oh, yes they did, and they also were mostly, very admittedly liberal including Wallace. Many of the "great" reporters, and anchormen were/are very liberal. Cronkite, Rather, Jennings, etc. However, I think they (except for Rather of course) had better journalistic integrity than many of today's MSM reporters/anchors.

I prefer Chris Wallace over his Dad, but you have to respect Mike Wallace for getting his hands dirty, and doing actual reporting, especially in a war zone.
 
Are we to believe that 60 Minutes didn't/doesn't care about ratings?
Wayne- you do have a point. I stand by my comment about trying to get the facts. Neither the left nor right press work very hard at it anymore. One possible exception is Rachel Maddow, who often cites her material, but she sometimes manages to twist something beyond what is reasonable. Yes, she is liberal. I noticed a few Bill O'Reilly shows recently that actually seemed to fit "fair and balanced". He must be slowing down.
 
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I've lost interest in the so-called talk shows. They have all become yelling shows that have degenerated into a continuous series of interruptions and "stay on message" sound bytes. No mas.

Wayne- you do have a point. I stand by my comment about trying to get the facts. Neither the left nor right press work very hard at it anymore. One possible exception is Rachel Maddow, who often cites her material, but she sometimes manages to twist something beyond what is reasonable. Yes, she is liberal. I noticed a few Bill O'Reilly shows recently that actually seemed to fit "fair and balanced". He must be slowing down.
 
I've lost interest in the so-called talk shows. They have all become yelling shows that have degenerated into a continuous series of interruptions and "stay on message" sound bytes. No mas.
When they degenerate into that I usually switch to the other one.

RIP Mike Wallace.
 
Wayne- you do have a point. I stand by my comment about trying to get the facts. Neither the left nor right press work very hard at it anymore. One possible exception is Rachel Maddow, who often cites her material, but she sometimes manages to twist something beyond what is reasonable. Yes, she is liberal. I noticed a few Bill O'Reilly shows recently that actually seemed to fit "fair and balanced". He must be slowing down.

I've lost interest in the so-called talk shows. They have all become yelling shows that have degenerated into a continuous series of interruptions and "stay on message" sound bytes. No mas.

Do you have a decent NPR station in your area which broadcasts Morning Edition and All Things Considered? If so, do you listen? If so, what do you think?
 
I don't know where the nearest NPR station is to Lincoln, NE.

EDIT- just looked it up- it's 91.1 on the dial. I'll have to try it.
 
I don't know where the nearest NPR station is to Lincoln, NE.

EDIT- just looked it up- it's 91.1 on the dial. I'll have to try it.

Not all public radio stations carry the two big NPR shows (ME and ATC) - Ha, just noticed that "ME" = Morning Edition and Mos Eisley... (Purple Board Ref...)

If 91.1 carries it, give it a try. I have a 45-55min commute each way and it is my main channel unless the spousal unit requests, "please, can we listen to music today?"
 
For clean reporting and interesting features, NPR takes the prize. Their left-lean is blatant, but the product is good.

I've always heard that described as "NPR drives down the middle of the road most of the time, but once in a while they end up in the left ditch. You can hear the tires squeaking and see the wreck coming well enough in advance that it's not a surprise." ;)

They had some of the fairest and most in depth reporting on the mortgage crisis far earlier than other outlets. Mostly through their non-broadcast Planet Money podcast, which I haven't had time to listen to lately to see if it's still on point and interesting, but a whole lot of the research Planet Money did and interviews were later showcased on This American Life.

Ira Glass at TAL recognized its importance long before the banking crisis hit. And it was explained in plain English without leaving out important details of individual involvement and shared responsibility.

TAL was also very early to the podcasting style of media distribution which led to some serious money shortfalls for them early on as they had started it as an experiment and were running $40K a month in the hole paying for servers and bandwidth. I haven't listened lately to see if they're still begging for money on each episode, but they hadn't adapted their budget to the new distribution realities very well at first. They've probably figured it out by now.

An interesting problem for old media. Is offering a file up for download part of "broadcasting" these days? I'd say yes now.
 
Sadly, like so many other institutions the media is now more oriented towards marketshare and shareholder profits than their original purpose to inform. Mike Wallace had a presence early on to be sure, but he was forced into the same rut as the others.
 
One piece he did on 60 minutes years ago set me wrong with them. There was a piece on odometer fraud. Statute of limitations being what it is, I was 11 years old when I 'rolled my first odie' and it was a Chrysler with an inker as well. I know how to do most cars between 1962 and 1979. During their piece they went to interview their expert who stuck a coat hangar behind the dash of this old Valiant and rolled the log. This is not even remotely possible on any car. As close as it gets is Fords where you have to take the whole face off of the speedometer and click the number wheels FORWARD by hand. (If you click one through backwards, the log ends up crooked). Every other odometer you actually have to take the log out of the head.
 
One piece he did on 60 minutes years ago set me wrong with them. There was a piece on odometer fraud. Statute of limitations being what it is, I was 11 years old when I 'rolled my first odie' and it was a Chrysler with an inker as well. I know how to do most cars between 1962 and 1979. During their piece they went to interview their expert who stuck a coat hangar behind the dash of this old Valiant and rolled the log. This is not even remotely possible on any car. As close as it gets is Fords where you have to take the whole face off of the speedometer and click the number wheels FORWARD by hand. (If you click one through backwards, the log ends up crooked). Every other odometer you actually have to take the log out of the head.

Nice to know you have other skills you can fall back on huh? :rofl:Me too. :redface:

Mike Walace exposed your odometer fraud scaming and now you don't like him?? :rofl::rofl: Maybe he got you out of your life of crim and into flying! :rofl:
 
I've given up on the TV media entirely and most of the print media. The fact that a Florida producer edited a 911 tape in the Trevor Martin case was the last straw for me. The "news" folks have gone beyond substituting opinion for reporting, now they're actively and maliciously altering the facts they're reporting.

This weekend the Washington Post had an article on Florida's "stand your ground" laws which remove the "duty to retreat" in the event of a violent encounter or in your home. The opening paragraph on page one described a situation where a man who knocked on the wrong door was immediately shot by the homeowner. It wasn't until you got to page 9 and many paragraphs later that you learned:
The man who knocked on the door was drunk, and it was 4 in the morning.
This was the second time he'd been to the same (wrong) house.
The second time, he didn't knock, he tried turning the knob.
The homeowner called 911 and then opened the door, and the man retreated, but then tried to advance again.
The homeowner told the man to stop or be shot, more than once.
The man did not stop, but instead asked for a light, raised his hands, and advanced.

It's hard to see what the homeowner should have done differently. A trained and uniformed cop would have had some non-lethal alternatives (pepper spray, ASP, maybe even a stun gun) to use but the average homeowner is going to have only some sort of club, knife, or gun, all of which have the potential to be lethal.

Anyway, I was just highly annoyed by the way the story was written and the way it was published over multiple pages.

Context is everything, and the media has crossed the line between editing for size without affecting the context (much) to deliberately editing to alter the context to fit their rating needs or views.

The Christian Science Monitor used to have a pretty good rep for accurate reporting, I'm going to have to go read it and see.
 
Nice to know you have other skills you can fall back on huh? :rofl:Me too. :redface:

Mike Walace exposed your odometer fraud scaming and now you don't like him?? :rofl::rofl: Maybe he got you out of your life of crim and into flying! :rofl:


MY scam...:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: What ended it for the most part (you can still wash a title through Arkansas) was a nation wide odometer reporting system on title transfers.

It wasn't that I no longer liked him, I no longer had respect for him (or 60 Minutes) as a journalist and I no longer trusted his word. If you lose trust in your word as a journalist, you're crap. If I wan't to watch an odometer roll in a silly way for entertainment, I'll watch the opening scene of 'Used Cars' with Kurt Russel (the funniest car business movie ever!):D
 
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For clean reporting and interesting features, NPR takes the prize. Their left-lean is blatant, but the product is good.

INteresting features, yes, clean reporting not so much IMHO. Frequently NPR will either leave out facts or almost totally omit some facts/info that might present a different view of the topic at hand. Not always, and sometimes it's hard to tell. I don't call that (or "left-lean") to be particularly "clean" reporting, but our definitions may vary. I do listen to reporting from NPR and other sources & read a variety of publications (online/print).

The trouble is that it's nearly impossible to take all bias out of reporting. Reporters and editors will interpert things through their views & some bias will result. It's not usually as blatent as NBC did with the edits on the Florida 911 tapes, but it is there. That's why it's necessary to gather your information from a variety of sources. Part of the current war between talking heads is that each side wants to be the sole or primary source of news.

I would posit that Wallace's confrontational style is one reason that we have the kind of confrontational media we have today.
 
How about the self-driving Audis in 1986? All of the sources for the story, as run by 60 Minutes, were part of the "Audi Victims Network," the name applied by the plaintiffs' lawyers who were suing Audi.

They never offered an explanation for how the cars overpowered the brakes, because the cars did not overpower the brakes; the drivers pressed on the gas pedal instead of the brake.

But, "this driver tragically ran over and killed her child by pressing on the wrong pedal ..." is less-appealing TV than "this car killed this woman's child," so that's what they ran with.

I kept waiting for the part where they spoke with an independent and qualified expert. It never came.
 
How about the self-driving Audis in 1986? All of the sources for the story, as run by 60 Minutes, were part of the "Audi Victims Network," the name applied by the plaintiffs' lawyers who were suing Audi.

They never offered an explanation for how the cars overpowered the brakes, because the cars did not overpower the brakes; the drivers pressed on the gas pedal instead of the brake.

But, "this driver tragically ran over and killed her child by pressing on the wrong pedal ..." is less-appealing TV than "this car killed this woman's child," so that's what they ran with.

I kept waiting for the part where they spoke with an independent and qualified expert. It never came.

Refresh my memory: was 60 Minutes ever involved with Ralph Nader?
 
60 minutes used to be this great investigative show where they would make scammers squirm on national TV. Last few times I bother dot watch it was mostly fluff, with a bit of current affairs stuck in.
 
How about the self-driving Audis in 1986? All of the sources for the story, as run by 60 Minutes, were part of the "Audi Victims Network," the name applied by the plaintiffs' lawyers who were suing Audi.

They never offered an explanation for how the cars overpowered the brakes, because the cars did not overpower the brakes; the drivers pressed on the gas pedal instead of the brake.

But, "this driver tragically ran over and killed her child by pressing on the wrong pedal ..." is less-appealing TV than "this car killed this woman's child," so that's what they ran with.

I kept waiting for the part where they spoke with an independent and qualified expert. It never came.

Lol, I was driving an Audi 5000 at the time and I can tell you exactly what that was about. It was a design issue, but had nothing to do with the drive train. The Audis back then had the pedals shifted to the left compared to the seat and steering column compared to most other cars. If you sat down like in another car with your legs out in front of you and rotate your right foot to the left, you hit the gas pedal. When these people would get into a primacy reaction situation and stomp for the brake where a lifetime of muscle memory tells them to, they stomped the gas. Almost did it once myself because I didn't get quite far enough left and slipped off the brake onto the gas.
 
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