Met an interesting pilot yesterday

Jaybird180

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He's a new transfer at work, so I'd seen him around but we never talked until yesterday, where he shared some of his background. I thought I'd share his interesting story yet keep his identity anonymous. The end of the story is that he's has a C-ME with Jet type ratings, but he never wanted to be a pilot in the first place and so hasn't flown in 40 years. He has 132hrs TT. You can stop reading here, or read the rest of the story.

The rest of the story
He was a young graduate student in 1969 and there was military action in Vietnam. The school he attended exploited a legal loophole regarding the draft for undergraduate students by omitting 1 course from the curriculum, thereby making the student ineligible to receive a Bachelor's degree yet allowing them to proceed to graduate school. Upon completion of graduate school, the student would then complete the remaining course and would then receive simultaneous diplomas. He was "unlucky" enough that the government found out about and closed this loophole and he was drafted in 1971.

He reported to the draft board where draftees were randomly split into 3 groups to be divided amongst Army, Marines and Air Force. He went to the Air Force, where during basic training his academic test scores made him stand out. He was then required to take the Officer Qualifying Test, the Aviation Selection Test then the flight physical. Unbeknownst to him, there was so much of a shortage of pilots, they still passed him with 20/10 vision and he was then shipped off to Officer Training and flight school.

In flight school, he flew the military version of the C-172, then the T-37 Tweet then the T-38 Talon, where after 54 weeks of flying and an FAA written (from a guy from the FAA who administered the test), wings were pinned on his chest.

He and his IP (Instructor Pilot) flew XC to his next assignment for a basic introduction to his next aircraft, the B-52 where he was supposed to sit in the pilot's seat and drool over his new war machine. This was part of the tradition. He was unimpressed.

He told me that during formation training, he was disturbed by witnessing wing-flex on the lead aircraft and that he never learned to trust the structural strength of the T-38.

According to him, the T-38 has a roll rate of 1440 degrees per second, but a quick Google suggest 1/2 that at 720, which is two full aileron rolls in one second! Still very quick! He told me that IPs would sometimes use the roll rate of the T-38 to haze less-motivated students and that they were prohibited from demonstrating many maximum performance maneuvers, but they were consistently disregarded by keeping one's mouth shut and/or resetting the G-Meter if exceeding the 4.5G mandate on the 7G airframe.

After returning from his B-52 introduction, he was told the Air Force no longer needed as many pilots and he could either go home or drive a desk. His check on the economy led him to choose driving a desk while wearing a blue uniform. After reaching the rank of Captain with 4 years, he was excited about the pay and his prospects outside the service weren't as attractive so he stayed on as an Industrial Engineer.

The Air Force offered to send him to school for an MBA, he accepted where after graduation he owed them another 3 years. Another check of the economy and he decided to stay.

After 20 years in the service he retired. That was 21 years +1 month ago, according to my recollection of the story.

He never returned to a cockpit and has no interest in doing so.
 
Without even reading half of that story, I can tell it is pure BS. The dude either washed out of mil flight training, or never went at all. This is also the first time I have ever heard of someone being drafted into pilot training.
 
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I kept reading, waiting for the interesting stuff! I want my "click" back.
 
I'm not saying that this story is true or BS. What I will say is that more then 50% of what I read on any forums is BS.
 
Did you look him up in the airmen registry? Does he actually have what he says?
 
There were no AF draftees, only Army and Marines.

Bingo!

If you got your notice or a low number, it was common to try the USAF or USN.

Another thing, there was no shortage of USAF pilots in Vietnam. Some of the crumbiest duty was as a pilot being assigned as the GIB (Guy in Back) in an F-4.
 
Did you look him up in the airmen registry? Does he actually have what he says?
As I understand, he would have to take positive action to transfer to the civil equivalent; and like I said, he could give a flying [you know what]. But, NO, I was not able to find him in the registry.

There were no AF draftees, only Army and Marines.
He says it was done for a short while only and was done at the induction center.
 
As I understand, he would have to take positive action to transfer to the civil equivalent; and like I said, he could give a flying [you know what]. But, NO, I was not able to find him in the registry.


He says it was done for a short while only and was done at the induction center.

Yes, there a few hoops to jump through and the applicant to transfer military experience to a civilian rating has to make the effort. It's not a real ordeal however.

I really doubt if anyone at that low of a level had the authority to initiate a policy of that magnitude. Sounds extremely unlikely.

On another point...... I have never flown a T-38, but considering the short wing span I really doubt there would be much flex. Maybe some of the ex-AF types here could chime in.
 
So what does this guy do at work? Pilot? Maybe he found out you were a pilot and felt the need to come up with a story to impress you. I don't buy his story. Never heard of wing flex in a Talon but the B-52s wings sure flex! Yeah I have 20/10 (lucky) too and somehow passed my class 2 this year without glasses. :wink2: Never the less it was still an interesting story and thanks for sharing.
 
It would not surprise me if most of his story is true. I'm sure after 40+ years since flight training he's a little foggy on performance numbers.

AF pilots may not show up in the FAA database if they did not persue an FAA competency civil rating or certificate.
 
Com'mon guys, trying to insert all this realism is ruining a perfectly good story.:D
 
It would not surprise me if most of his story is true. I'm sure after 40+ years since flight training he's a little foggy on performance numbers.

AF pilots may not show up in the FAA database if they did not persue an FAA competency civil rating or certificate.

The details that raise red flags in my mind are very specific. These guys rely on the passage of time to explain why their stories don't add up. The roll rate of the T-38 has nothing to do with why this story is absolute, guaranteed BS. It sounds like a compilation of random anecdotes, from various sources, that as a whole does not add up to a believable story. My guess is that he was an Airman during the period in question or shortly after the war, who had some day to day contact with aircrew, and thus picked and chose some stories and tall tales that he had heard, that he would one day make his own. Fakers like this guy generally have some past tertiary experience with the folks they are trying to emulate.
 
The details that raise red flags in my mind are very specific. These guys rely on the passage of time to explain why their stories don't add up. The roll rate of the T-38 has nothing to do with why this story is absolute, guaranteed BS. It sounds like a compilation of random anecdotes, from various sources, that as a whole does not add up to a believable story. My guess is that he was an Airman during the period in question or shortly after the war, who had some day to day contact with aircrew, and thus picked and chose some stories and tall tales that he had heard, that he would one day make his own. Fakers like this guy generally have some past tertiary experience with the folks they are trying to emulate.

I've met a few like you describe. For those of us who have flown 20 yrs AF, it's easy to call them on it. They get real quite when they learn your own background.
 
I've met a few like you describe. For those of us who have flown 20 yrs AF, it's easy to call them on it. They get real quite when they learn your own background.

Agreed. I don't have 20 years in, but it's still pretty easy to tell when someone is legit and when they aren't. It's too small of a community, and far too specialized to BS the folks who have done it themselves.
 
I've met a few like you describe. For those of us who have flown 20 yrs AF, it's easy to call them on it. They get real quite when they learn your own background.

:yeahthat:

An acquaintance of mine who is a retired light commander SEAL (DD 214 confirmed) has a saying he picked up somewhere. "There were 1200 SEALs in Vietnam, and I've met all 30,000 of them" :rofl:
 
Pure unadulterated BS. No FAA written for military trainees.
 
Pure unadulterated BS. No FAA written for military trainees.

Yep, that was one of the first things that made me give it the stink eye. Mil competency test for an equivalent FAA certificate, sure, but not as part of the syllabus.
 
While I very well could investigate with the intent to call his bluff, I suppose he sought to flatter me if it's pure BS.

I have no dog in that fight.
 
Every war has them.

B17 ball turret gunners, everyone's uncle was one.
B29 tail gunners, everyone's uncle was one.
Huey door gunners in the Nam, everyone knows a door gunner.
 
I wouldn't press the issue either. Not worth it at this point, at least unless he is trying to use his "history" as a basis for employment
 
I had a low draft number in 1970 and "avoided" the draft by joining the Navy. People were drafted into the army, not the Air Force. Also if someone was drafted it was for two years. The military did not spend a whole lot of time and money on someone who was going to be there for two years. They pretty much taught them how to fire a rife. Some of my friends got a little more training in things like communications or supply, but no one got a lot of training. I don't know about the rest of the story, but at least that part is BS to me. Also something to note, I believe that even though men born in 1953 were issued draft numbers, I don't think that anyone born after 1952 was drafted. Just for your information, the only people who got draft numbers at that time were people who turned 20. So unless your friend is 60 years old or older, chances are he never had to face the draft.
 
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