Man Slaps Crying Two Year Old In Flight

For all the aggravation including hiring an attorney and being fired from the job I bet he could have easily paid for a business class. Slapping the kid and using the N word was not a very cost effective thing to do.
 
I don't agree with hitting or using the N word, but people are entitled to peace and quiet on a plane. They only tell the mothers side of it. maybe he was screaming the whole flight? Maybe the guy politely asked her to keep him quiet and she told him to F off??
 
Ibut people are entitled to peace and quiet on a plane.
There are no such entitlements apart from obvious places like adult-only resorts/hotels, restaurants, workplace, etc. Never heard of any public transportation to guarantee "peace and quiet" whether it is a Greyhound bus or an Amtrak train. They guarantee you a seat and delivery to your destination in relative safety.
 
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Personally, I find crying babies to be among the least of the many annoyances about flying commercial.

-Rich
 
There are no such entitlements apart from obvious places like adult-only resorts/hotels, restaurants, workplace, etc. Never heard of any public transportation to guarantee "peace and quiet" whether it is a Greyhound bus or an Amtrak train. They guarantee you a seat and delivery to your destination in relative safety.

And people with kids think they own the world, and everyone else should bow down to them.
 
Waah. C'mon folks look at the brightside crying babies sell GA. We need more crying babies on airliners more, more, more.
 
And people with kids think they own the world, and everyone else should bow down to them.
Neither group is innocent, but I have seen far more 'attitudes' from people that don't have kids than those who do.

As far as the case involved...considering that the other pax are backing up the mother's story than the hitter, I doubt he has much of a counter-story.


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I don't agree with hitting or using the N word, but people are entitled to peace and quiet on a plane. They only tell the mothers side of it. maybe he was screaming the whole flight? Maybe the guy politely asked her to keep him quiet and she told him to F off??

Lets go down that path for a second. He politely asks her to make her baby be quiet. What's she supposed to do, stuff a gag in the baby's mouth? Babies don't just shut up when you tell them to be quiet.

Of course, calling the baby a ****** and slapping it makes me think he probably wasn't smart enough to realize that kids yell, and there's not much to do about it. The liquor probably didn't help.
 
And people with kids think they own the world, and everyone else should bow down to them.

Some people with kids, instead of training them to fit in the world, have an unreasonable expectation of the world to revolve around their kids. That's an awful lot to ask of perfect strangers, especially on a plane.
 
And people with kids think they own the world, and everyone else should bow down to them.

That's just dumb. People with kids (myself included) fall into one of two categories: 1. The type that will take their kid into a restaurant or movie theatre, without caring about those around them and 2. The type that actually care about people around them and avoid those situations wherever possible.

I fall into category 2. That said, when I have to travel, I have to have my kid with me. Because you don't understand that kids don't just shut up on command is not my problem.
 
Babies cry, plain and simple. I will do my best to quiet my children but noone can force a baby to be quiet. Innocence isnt forced.

And God help you if you lay a hand on my child. There wouldnt be an airmarshal fast enough to save you from getting whats coming to you.
 
Some people with kids, instead of training them to fit in the world, have an unreasonable expectation of the world to revolve around their kids. That's an awful lot to ask of perfect strangers, especially on a plane.
We're talking about a two-year-old, not a ten-year-old. I would have far more patience with the kid than the guy who slapped him.
 
Part of the problem is parents who've learned to tune the kid out assumes everyone else around can or should just tolerate the noise. That's BS. Kids don't have to shut up on command, but if there is an issue that can be resolved, the parent should, out of courtesy to the other passengers, do what they can to keep little Johnny from screaming like he's being murdered. I also have kids and that is not a lot to ask of a parent traveling with a child.
 
That's just dumb. People with kids (myself included) fall into one of two categories: 1. The type that will take their kid into a restaurant or movie theatre, without caring about those around them and 2. The type that actually care about people around them and avoid those situations wherever possible.

I fall into category 2. That said, when I have to travel, I have to have my kid with me. Because you don't understand that kids don't just shut up on command is not my problem.

Category 3: people who teach their kids to be well-behaved in public.
 
We're talking about a two-year-old, not a ten-year-old. I would have far more patience with the kid than the guy who slapped him.

Please don't misinterpret my comments as defending the actions of the adult who knows better. What this guy did, allegedly, is inexcusable and he deserves everything he gets. I'm talking generally about parents who burden the public with the unruly actions of their kids. I don't allow my kids to throw tantrums because it reflects poorly on me as a parent. When they were too young, I didn't just let them scream like some parents.
 
Oh heck. I'd like to see child proof flights. Idiot felon free flights (the kind that hit obnoxious toddlers untended by incompent moms). Provacative slutty - woman free flights. Dirty old man less flights. Drunk free flights. Then there wouldn't be ANY flights. Hijacker free flights. Prejudiced-against-beards WASP free flights.

Oh, I forgot. That's for what the Seneca is intended.
 
For **** sakes people, we are only a few generations past the time where it took weeks to cross the Atlantic or MONTHS to get around the world. A screaming child? That big of a deal? As a parent that goes out of the way to make sure his kids are quiet on a flight (and does a good job of it)...

Here's a straw.. Suck it the **** up......
 
Category 3: people who teach their kids to be well-behaved in public.
To be a bit more relevant to the case at hand:

Category 4: parents who start this teaching process when child is still in the womb and achieve perfect results by the time it reaches 2.
 
Category 3: people who teach their kids to be well-behaved in public.

You know of some way to have my 11 month old child trained to behave well in public that I haven't figured out somehow or are you being intentionally obtuse?

I've heard whisky works on the kid. Apparently calling him a ****** and slapping him does too.
 
For what it is worth, (and it is only one side of the story as the defendant has lawyered up and refuses to go on record, which is telling), the mother of this child said in an interview that the man appeared intoxicated when she boarded, was belligerent towards her from the start, and she spent most of the flight standing in the rear of the plane trying to comfort her child who apparently was having difficulty equalizing pressure.

I am assuming that the child is adopted as both parents are white, but that is immaterial. The fact that an obviously racist drunk decided his best action was to assault a woman, (leaning over and yelling in her ear), and a two-year old child , (striking him),indicates that he has issues. Hayden ID, his home town, is a stronghold of white supremacists and other extreme fascist organizations. I wonder if the father, who is a formidable looking guy, had been present the coward would have had the same course of action. But then most racists are cowards, and prefer the helpless and weak for targets as it supports their desire for feeling superior without risk.
 
For **** sakes people, we are only a few generations past the time where it took weeks to cross the Atlantic or MONTHS to get around the world. A screaming child? That big of a deal? As a parent that goes out of the way to make sure his kids are quiet on a flight (and does a good job of it)...

Here's a straw.. Suck it the **** up......

+1

My wife and I have taken our kids to Europe more than a few times. There are ways to do it that provide as little impact to others, but the pressure changes really hurt the kids. My favorite are the idiots who criticize mothers for breast feeding during takeoff and landing.
 
Category 3: people who teach their kids to be well-behaved in public.

Oh sure. Try it when the airline screws you and you're delayed. Even the best kids will eventually lose it.
 
I've heard whisky works on the kid.

We have our doc write a scrip with instructions for Benadryl. Keeps you safer from the child rearing nazis if you try to do it yourself.
 
I have two children 13/9. Their first flight in 2008 after PP and every flight since has been with me as Captain. My wife and I have been tortured by screaming babies/toddlers before having our own at 30 yrs old. We did not take our children to restaurants or movies for several years, because we respected other people too much. Sure as heck would not take them on an airliner. Babies often have equalization problems. If one of ours did get out of control after that, we escorted them away from the area as quickly as possible. And no, a two year old cannot be taught to behave(act a certain way) in public for more than a few minutes.

This works in our plane when the kids start acting up. Honey, I think we are going to climb to 12,500' or 13,500' for "cooler air". O2 not required to be offered to passengers until 15,000'. If we are planning on going high, we all have cannulas on before takeoff. They get plugged in as necessary.

Provide a sealed off section just for parents with children and allow cabin pressure to go on up to 14,999' and keep everyone else at 8,000'. Now I know why our German friends put diluted beer in the baby bottles.
 
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Oh heck. I'd like to see child proof flights. Idiot felon free flights (the kind that hit obnoxious toddlers untended by incompent moms). Provacative slutty - woman free flights. Dirty old man less flights. Drunk free flights. Then there wouldn't be ANY flights. Hijacker free flights. Prejudiced-against-beards WASP free flights.

Oh, I forgot. That's for what the Seneca is intended.

How do I get on the provacatively dressed women flight?:D
 
I think people who find crying babies to be horribly annoying need a bit of empathy.

Babies who cry incessantly on airplanes usually are in pain from being unable to equalize. Gently massaging the temples, the joint of the jaw, under their chin, and sometimes the areas above and below their eyes or on each side of their nose, can help a lot. I've actually done this a few times for parents who were ready to try pretty much anything to get their babies to stop crying. It usually works.

Slapping and yelling at them, not so much.

-Rich
 
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Not a parent, but for those of you who say 2 year olds cant/won't behave in public, you obviously weren't raised in our family. I was that way, my sister was that way, and I witnessed it with my brother who is 13 years younger than I, and he was just fine. Sat still, didn't whine or cry or make noise. If you say you can't get a 2 year old to do something, you suck at parenting and should probably send a PM to my parents (both on here) asking how they managed to do it with 3 kids.
 
My son is just shy of two years old right now. I can't imagine a person hitting a kid that young. There has to be some underlying problem in the brain for that. A spanking? Sure, but that is different, controlled, and not intended to cause any physical or mental harm. Smacking them hard upside the head? There would very rapidly be an improvised shiv in my hand.

Then again that requires flying on the airlines, and I'm more willing to drive or just upgrade to where my wife and I would be further isolated from the rest.

That's why I'm thrilled my apache has been reliably giving me 140kts (165mph) IAS at 5500'. With a lenient travel schedule for work, it's a good thing.
 
There has been several times while I was traveling alone that I was asked to switch seats with a family. Some had the attitude that you owe it to them because they have kids. If they wanted a row together why didn't they reserve it when they bought the tickets?
 
For **** sakes people, we are only a few generations past the time where it took weeks to cross the Atlantic or MONTHS to get around the world. A screaming child? That big of a deal? As a parent that goes out of the way to make sure his kids are quiet on a flight (and does a good job of it)...

Here's a straw.. Suck it the **** up......

My last trip, on the last leg from DFW to DEN, I did just that, when the back of my seatkept getting kicked-bumped almost constantly. It seems many parents just don't seem to care about that if the kid isn't bothering them. I've just come to exbect it as part of the experience from security to destination.
When we reached the gate I discovered that the "kid" was an ADULT about 25 traveling with his buddies :mad3::mad3: !!!

Oh well I was home but WTF??!!

George
 
My wife and I are very new parents. Our daughter was 5 months old when Christmas rolled around and we needed to fly home to see my parents.

We will/would do anything to keep our daughter quiet on the plane. We boarded the plane at 7:30am and then sat on the jetway and then the taxiway until 11:30am without taking off.

We did what I considered the be a phenomenal job of keeping our baby girl quiet. That being said, if you are single/married/no kids and get super upset about a baby crying on a plane, you will get what is coming to you!

Bottom line is nobody loves to listen to a crying baby, but if you really believe I shouldn't take my baby girl to see her grandparent's for the first time so that you don't have to listen to a baby cry for 3 minutes, **** off.

I remember being single or even married without kids and I hated listening to a baby cry on an airplane. Now I understand there are much more important things in life than myself having a pristine quiet flight for an hour or two.
 
My wife and I are very new parents. Our daughter was 5 months old when Christmas rolled around and we needed to fly home to see my parents.

We will/would do anything to keep our daughter quiet on the plane. We boarded the plane at 7:30am and then sat on the jetway and then the taxiway until 11:30am without taking off.

We did what I considered the be a phenomenal job of keeping our baby girl quiet. That being said, if you are single/married/no kids and get super upset about a baby crying on a plane, you will get what is coming to you!

Bottom line is nobody loves to listen to a crying baby, but if you really believe I shouldn't take my baby girl to see her grandparent's for the first time so that you don't have to listen to a baby cry for 3 minutes, **** off.

I remember being single or even married without kids and I hated listening to a baby cry on an airplane. Now I understand there are much more important things in life than myself having a pristine quiet flight for an hour or two.

As a New parent, I could not have said it better myself.
 
There has been several times while I was traveling alone that I was asked to switch seats with a family. Some had the attitude that you owe it to them because they have kids. If they wanted a row together why didn't they reserve it when they bought the tickets?

It has been my experience that even if you booked the seats together, the airline will at times reshuffle the seats and break up your party if it serves their purposes.
 
I remember being single or even married without kids and I hated listening to a baby cry on an airplane. Now I understand there are much more important things in life than myself having a pristine quiet flight for an hour or two.

Pretty much sums up this thread. If you have kids you empathize with the parents, if you don't have kids you don't get it.

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