stingray
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Someone just told me today that they are changing the LSA rules to include the Cessna 150. Has anyone heard anything on this subject?
Dan
Dan
LSA rules were designed to reign in the two-seat ultralights, not breathe life into GA. Heck, that's the last thing the FAA would want.
You ARE a Sad Sack, aren't you, Michael.
LSA rules were designed to reign in the two-seat ultralights, not breathe life into GA. Heck, that's the last thing the FAA would want.
... it's hard to say the LSA movement hasn't stimulated GA.
I for one would like to see the weight limit raised to include the 150, Cub, and a few border line aircraft.
Cub already qualifies.
Cub already qualifies.
Champ and Chief, as well.
Some do, some don't...
Trapper John
Yeah, those turbine powered Chiefs, most likely...
As far as the Champs go, there are differences that would seem unimportant, but can kick certain ones out of LSA qualification, like oleo v. bungee main gear, etc.
Trapper John
The oleo versions have a higher gross?
On some of them anyway, the oleo gear raises the gross to 1,350 lb if factory installed, or if field installed with the correct placards.
Trapper John
I'll have to check with the Aeronca folks...may be the case. My Chief wieghs 880 lbs, so makes the limit by a long shot.
No No No. The LSA limit is 1320 pounds maximum GROSS.
I'll have to check with the Aeronca folks...may be the case. My Chief wieghs 880 lbs, so makes the limit by a long shot.
Chiefs may not even be an issue at all, but I do know it's an issue for some Champs.
If you're in doubt, get a CD of all your plane's documentation from OK City. That's really the official record of what your gross is. And it's gross, not empty that determines if it's LSA eligible.
One dumb part of the LSA rules are if an AC was ever configured for a gross over 1,320, you can't go back and reconfigure for less than or equal to 1,320.
Trapper John
That's what I thought but you can not tell some people something.
Dan
Yep -- gross in the Chief is 1250 (shoulda added that -- thanks for the correction!)
880 empty and 1250 gross? That's slightly worse than my Porterfield (800 empty 1200 gross) and I can only carry 10 gallons with two 170 lb people in the plane. I hope you don't weigh much.
Yeah, for $100k and up you get about the same as a $15-17k C-150...
Trapper John
Regardless of the reality, the FAA's primary intent for LSA was to bring the illegal pseudo-ultralights inside the tent where they could be regulated effectively.
For a 25+ year old airplane. Nothing wrong with that. I fly my brothers 1947 Luscombe 8A and it is a lot of fun. But a lot of the LSAs will outperform a C-150, 8A, J-3, or Champ in any category you can think of. Heck, some are faster and roomier than the older 172s. And 100k for a NEW SLSA is still 1/3 the cost of any NEW factory built type certificated aircraft.
I for one would like to see the weight limit raised to include the 150, Cub, and a few border line aircraft. The more old timers (pilots & planes) we can keep flhying the better it is.
The speed limit has always been rediculous. We are the only country (that I know of) to restrict the speed of LSA. It should be based on gross weight and full flap stall speed. This is why so many of the EU aircraft had to be dummy downed to fly here.
Yeah, for $100k and up you get about the same as a $15-17k C-150...Trapper John