Looking for Flight School/Instructor PPL

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Hi
I am from Germany and want to make my PPL in the US.
Anyone any good suggestions/experience with flight schools or individual instructors.
I looked so far in the Florida region, also had the LA area or even Sporty's in my mind.
Would be happy for any tips etc.
Thanks
Marty
 
Hi
I am from Germany and want to make my PPL in the US.
Anyone any good suggestions/experience with flight schools or individual instructors.
I looked so far in the Florida region, also had the LA area or even Sporty's in my mind.
Would be happy for any tips etc.
Thanks
Marty
Are you looking to come here and knock it out over a relatively short period of time?
Also, what time frame are you looking at, etc...?
Are you paying for it cash, credit card, looking for a scholarship?

These things would be useful information.

Ryan
 
Hi
I am from Germany and want to make my PPL in the US.
Anyone any good suggestions/experience with flight schools or individual instructors.
I looked so far in the Florida region, also had the LA area or even Sporty's in my mind.
Would be happy for any tips etc.
Thanks
Marty

I sold my Cherokee 140 trainer to Augusta Aviation. 3AU airfield in kansas. They have a Cessna 150 for $60 per hour or $79 per hour for Cherokee 140 wet rental, Full IFR capable. They charge $40 per hour for the instructor.

Minimum for your PPL here is 40 hours at $60 or $79 ($2400-$3180), plus 20 hrs at $40 ($800) for duel would total Just under $4000. Most people require about 50 hrs total time and 25 duel so you can add another $1000 budget to be safe. $300 for books and King videos which make your ground school the cheapest choice. If you get a US medical they are $100 around here and I paid $160 for the inspector to ride with me to sign off my PPL. The written test was $80. You can get a basic set of head sets from $175 at the school or bring your own or buy them on Ebay and have them delivered to the school.

So it looks like about $5600-$6000 plus room and board for 2 weeks or even a month or so while you do it. Depending on when you come you can fly about 80% or even 90% of the time with few weather delays.

BTW- Every year we have a few England CFI's come over and they usually dry lease an airplane for the season and train a few Euro students.

Generally speaking Wichita, KS is lower cost of living than Florida or LA but it is not a tourist spot unless you like Clint Eastwood movies. We have extended stay hotels for $220 per week similar to the iBiz hotels in Europe. Meals at restaurants will average $7-9 per meal, Steak Dinner could be tiny bit more $9.99 with salad, veggies or potato and bread; lunch can be $3, $5 or $6 BBQ or Hamburger; if you dine out for breakfast Eggs, bacon/sausage, pancakes with coffee about $6.50. Toast and coffee about $2.55, Bagel and coffee about $3.50. Free coffee at the airport and often free donuts at least a few days a week.

I suspect if you want to live on the cheap to focus mainly on your flying you can eat the free Continental breakfast at the hotel, pack a thermos of apple juice, orange juice/hot cocoa/coffee or tea from hotel for free; take a banana, apple, orange from breakfast bar or lobby for later. I am not passing judgement this is how many people travel lite on vacations and not bust their budget..... American Restaurants serve too large of portions so you will not want to eat out two or three times a day for any period of time lest ye find out why Americans are so over weight.

Another way to save on your time and costs is pickup bread, cheese and crackers; TV dinners, microwave heat-able in the hotel also nick named heatem and eatems to heat in the hotel room you can get by about $2 per meal, $1.50 can of soup. these meals are not great some are ok but portions are more normal than a restaurant. No matter how you plane to eat you can plan Tea/hot cocoa/Coffee/juice and usually fruit is free at most hotels and flight schools (usually have the beverages).
 
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Are you looking to come here and knock it out over a relatively short period of time?
Also, what time frame are you looking at, etc...?
Are you paying for it cash, credit card, looking for a scholarship?

These things would be useful information.

Ryan

This would be very useful information!

I sold my Cherokee 140 trainer to Augusta Aviation. 3AU airfield in kansas. They have a Cessna 150 for $60 per hour or $79 per hour for Cherokee 140 wet rental, Full IFR capable. They charge $40 per hour for the instructor.

Soooo jealous of those low costs. I paid $90/hr for one of three basically new Tecnam Eaglets. $40/hr instruction. I have to say that the instruction I got was absolutely top notch--I couldn't have asked for better.

I think it depends what you want. If you want to fly inexpensively, you should go where the cost of living (and flying) is low, like Kansas. I trained at Bay Bridge Airport on the Eastern Shore of Maryland, which was fantastic. I took this video right after I got checked out in a new plane a couple of weeks ago. I bet you don't see this sort of stuff in Kansas :).
 
Wow. $60/hr wet? That's incredibly. I pay $75/hr wet for a 150, and I thought that was a pretty killer deal.
 
$95/hour wet for a 152 here, instruction $55. Hangers are $650/month, yes, $650!!! Tie downs are $75/month.

If I was in Kansas I could still be working on my license :(

Edited to add, I am in Palm Beach Gardens FL, local is F45
 
I sold my Cherokee 140 trainer to Augusta Aviation. 3AU airfield in kansas. They have a Cessna 150 for $60 per hour or $79 per hour for Cherokee 140 wet rental, Full IFR capable. They charge $40 per hour for the instructor.

Minimum for your PPL here is 40 hours at $60 or $79 ($2400-$3180), plus 20 hrs at $40 ($800) for duel would total Just under $4000. Most people require about 50 hrs total time and 25 duel so you can add another $1000 budget to be safe. $300 for books and King videos which make your ground school the cheapest choice. If you get a US medical they are $100 around here and I paid $160 for the inspector to ride with me to sign off my PPL. The written test was $80. You can get a basic set of head sets from $175 at the school or bring your own or buy them on Ebay and have them delivered to the school.

So it looks like about $5600-$6000 plus room and board for 2 weeks or even a month or so while you do it. Depending on when you come you can fly about 80% or even 90% of the time with few weather delays.

BTW- Every year we have a few England CFI's come over and they usually dry lease an airplane for the season and train a few Euro students.

Generally speaking Wichita, KS is lower cost of living than Florida or LA but it is not a tourist spot unless you like Clint Eastwood movies. We have extended stay hotels for $220 per week similar to the iBiz hotels in Europe. Meals at restaurants will average $7-9 per meal, Steak Dinner could be tiny bit more $9.99 with salad, veggies or potato and bread; lunch can be $3, $5 or $6 BBQ or Hamburger; if you dine out for breakfast Eggs, bacon/sausage, pancakes with coffee about $6.50. Toast and coffee about $2.55, Bagel and coffee about $3.50. Free coffee at the airport and often free donuts at least a few days a week.

I suspect if you want to live on the cheap to focus mainly on your flying you can eat the free Continental breakfast at the hotel, pack a thermos of apple juice, orange juice/hot cocoa/coffee or tea from hotel for free; take a banana, apple, orange from breakfast bar or lobby for later. I am not passing judgement this is how many people travel lite on vacations and not bust their budget..... American Restaurants serve too large of portions so you will not want to eat out two or three times a day for any period of time lest ye find out why Americans are so over weight.

Another way to save on your time and costs is pickup bread, cheese and crackers; TV dinners, microwave heat-able in the hotel also nick named heatem and eatems to heat in the hotel room you can get by about $2 per meal, $1.50 can of soup. these meals are not great some are ok but portions are more normal than a restaurant. No matter how you plane to eat you can plan Tea/hot cocoa/Coffee/juice and usually fruit is free at most hotels and flight schools (usually have the beverages).

The place I trained at in MT is 60/hr for the plane and 35/hr instructor and the instructor charges you Hobbs time, he's going to be doing some accelerated courses in the Vegas area.
 
thanks for all your replys so far - and yes - money is for sure one issue and I know what I can roughly calculate.
But for me the bigger problem is sorting out a nice Flight School or even better a motivated individual instructor - as I dont have the oppurtunity to "shop arround" for the best one. I dont want to end up in one of the big "pilot factories" ;-)

Regarding to your "usefull information" that I missed:
- I want to knock it off in one piece (3-5 weeks - whatever it takes) - the shorter the better, and Ill be there just for flying
- payment could be anything from cash to credit
- scholarship? never heared about it ;-)
- timeframe: I think of the 2nd half of this year roughly

Hope that helps you - and thanks for your tips so far
Marty
 
thanks for all your replys so far - and yes - money is for sure one issue and I know what I can roughly calculate.
But for me the bigger problem is sorting out a nice Flight School or even better a motivated individual instructor - as I dont have the oppurtunity to "shop arround" for the best one. I dont want to end up in one of the big "pilot factories" ;-)

Regarding to your "usefull information" that I missed:
- I want to knock it off in one piece (3-5 weeks - whatever it takes) - the shorter the better, and Ill be there just for flying
- payment could be anything from cash to credit
- scholarship? never heared about it ;-)
- timeframe: I think of the 2nd half of this year roughly

Hope that helps you - and thanks for your tips so far
Marty
I'm motivated if you are interested...
Of course unless you are a US citizen, you'll also need to start working on your TSA stuff.

Ryan
 
I'm motivated if you are interested...
Of course unless you are a US citizen, you'll also need to start working on your TSA stuff.

Ryan

Nice looking, cost effective flight school you've got going there from the website info. Looks particularly attractive for northerners during wintertime.
 
@ Ryan
sounds good - also checked your website
as I said - consider doing it later this year - I am quite busy the next few month
No I am not a US citizen and I know about the TSA fingerprint etc stuff
How long do you think does the TSA clearyfication take ? (weeks, month)
Marty
 
@ Ryan
sounds good - also checked your website
as I said - consider doing it later this year - I am quite busy the next few month
No I am not a US citizen and I know about the TSA fingerprint etc stuff
How long do you think does the TSA clearyfication take ? (weeks, month)
Marty
Go to http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/alienft.html and look over the requirements. Figure about a month or so for the TSA approval - this is the biggest frustration.
After you are cleared to begin, you have one year to finish.

Ryan
 
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