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Discussion in 'Pilot Training' started by SixPapaCharlie, Oct 5, 2019.
Join me for a bit of precision flying inches off the runway and also mains down, nose up.
Pretty good airmanship. Ilikedthewayyouspeduptheradiocommunications.
I usually shoot for something else in a plane referencing 5280 feet...
I wouldn’t be braggin’ bout gittin it done in 5280 feet. Specially at 310 speeds.
I did say “I” not “she”.
We’ll be needin verification of that
Bryan where did you get those shoes you had on for the first half???!!!?
I don’t think you will think doing a wheelie in a crab is kinda cool in the real world. If you managed it you’d end up with two flat mains.
Doing a two wheel wheelie In a slip with one wheel on the ground however would be cool to see.
Nice! You definitely got the skills to pay the bills. Well, maybe not all the bills. Perhaps the internet bill and a magazine subscription.
Nicely done! Who needs a windsock when you have shadows!
Those were my friend Christy's feet. I will ask her next time I see her.
Nicely done - you show some Mad Skilz there!
This a a valuable exercise I would do with students when they were working on soft field landings. The idea was to be able to hold the nose off a until rolling over a less soft portion of the runway.
You clearly have nailed down the visual references to judge height quite accurately. It may be the camera angle, but it appears your eyes are diverted to the right side of the runway. Most pilots in side-by-sides are trained to look to the left. Either side is fine, but just wondering if this is a conscious decision on your part, just a random habit, or as I said an illusion caused by camera angle.
Would think you had to stay right around Vr to maintain that attitude. Right?
I tried a couple times to get quick glances of my airspeed and I think I was seeing 55-60 but I couldn't really look down.
This was the most fly by feel thing I have done. I got my sight picture and then it was a ballet of feeling the plane settle means adding a touch of throttle. If it starts to balloon, release the back pressure.
Reacting as quickly as possible but not large inputs. IT is an exercise that gets you laser focused focused on feel and sight picture.
I am not sure actually. I will go out a gain and see if I favor one direction visually. It does look that way though.
Here’s me playing with the same idea in my Sky Arrow, though for a lot less than a mile!
One thing occurred to me: the panel in a Grumman is so low that looking to the right from the left seat may be more natural, since more of the panel would dominate one’s view and provide an easier pitch reference.
Just a thought - whatever you’re doing, keep doing it!
That cockpit camera angle makes it look like you’re flying the cirrus. I.e. looks like sidestick only.
“...finesse the dance ...”
Did you consider or experiment with flaps?
I did until they wouldn't extend
Every time I take the plane to my MX, he cannot recreate the problem.
I get the plane back and the flaps work. 2 flights later they are inop.
We believe it is a switch so that's next to replace.
Yeah, ours kept failing in the extended position. Replaced the switch and haven’t had a problem in 6 years.
I don't think I could do that in my nose heavy Cherokee.
Thanks Briany, you've damaged my self-esteem permanently. I'm going to go cut myself now.
I’ll bet it could be done, would just need more power.
It probably could. That's why I said "I" don't think I could do it.
Its a bad habit. I have always talked fast and when I started flying, I think maybe I tried to keep up with what I was hearing.
It is not uncommon for a controller to tell me to slow down.
Next challenge: The wheel barrow....
I'm doing neither the one-mile wheelie, nor the wheelbarrow with my T-Tail, but thanks.
Makes me wanna grab a C152, tho!
When you're here in November, we should go over to Griffiss KRME... runway's over 11,000 and 200' wide. We'll do side by side wheelie drag races in our Cherokees. Good times. What could go wrong.
Way back in the last century, I enjoyed doing that in my Champ on Maine beaches. I used the area between high water mark and low. With nine foot tides, I had a hundred yards wide by five plus miles of runway, hard as concrete. There are laws against that now.
Along those lines, a friend and co worker told me of a maneuver that was done when he was an instructor at Navy primary, NAS Whiting. This was a demo only maneuver and not part of the program. Aircraft was the T-34C.
The idea was to land normally. After touchdown, power at flight idle, keep the nose wheel off the ground as long as possible. A substantial improvement was possible if one used full nose down trim after touch down in conjunction with full aft stick. It was possible to slow to almost walking speed with the nose wheel off the pavement. Some IPs started trimming while still short final. Marines favored this even tho this was a 4400 lb AC.
I'll be flying commercial into Watertown. Otherwise with the unpredictable weather, I could be stuck there (happily) for a month.
Used do this, on grass and pavement, for a couple thousand feet. Also taught it once in a while to students that needed to learn to fly the airplane until the thing was tied down.
Wheelie good video, Bryan, thanks!
I used to do that in Alaska on off airport landings and non-paved landing strips to test the surface. Just touch one wheel down for a short distance and then fly over to look at the wheel track to see if the surface is suitable for landing.....and of course taking off again.
Thanks for some mostly useful content. [Sans pictures of someone else's feet in an obviously different plane, among other diversions]
You did demonstrate quite well some good flying, and good exercises we can all use to help our own flying.
I used to have my primary students land on the upwind wheel and trundle along for a couple of hundred feet during crosswind training...especially my paraplegic students. Once you get the hang of it, crosswinds are no longer scary.
If any of my students were taxying too fast, I would have them pull the yoke all the way back. Then I would tell them that if the nose wheel comes off the ground, you are taxying too fast.
Some of the slower students thought I was trying to teach them to taxy with the nose wheel off the ground....
During primary, my instructor had me do low approaches several times to get the sight picture down. We’d keep the b nose up and the mains just off the ground so you could see what the flare should look like. It really helped to improve mitt landing attitude three point landings
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You never know what people will "learn". Old joke about scientist who pulls a leg off of a grass hopper then tells it to jump, which it does. Keeps repeating until the now legless grasshopper falls over and does not jump. His conclusion? When you remove all of a grasshopper's legs they become deaf.
Frequently the problem with communication is the illusion it was achieved!
That's my neighbor. He can fly that Cub backwards with a tailwind.
I flew that very Cub to Oshkosh in 2012!
That was fun.
Wheelies and one wheel mains landings weren’t optional with my first CFI.
Of course I later learned that he was just trying to connect my feet to my brain.
Which now is physically somewhere between connected and not again due to Mr. Spinal Cord having a hissy fit.
An interesting full circle.
Surprised you hadn’t done it before Brian-y! It really solidifies the sight picture and visual cues and how much control movement is needed.