Metroliners seem to land on one engine quite regularly, so why is this a big deal, other than the fact it's Key Lime
Media is just making a big deal about it because the same operator lost a plane (and pilot) due to engine failure a week ago.
How many UPS cargos can you lose before you lose your contract?
Fatal was a repo, no cargo on board. 2nd one had no operational effect on the cargo. So this would be the only one with live cargo. At the end of the day, as long as UPS is getting it as cheap as they can, they don't care.
How many UPS cargos can you lose before you lose your contract?
Yeah, I figure insurance will stop them if anyone. The Repo flight I still don't understand why he went down SE with a light plane.
Assuming they aren't self insured... Seeing as they haven't killed anyone but employee's, I don't see their liability flinching at all.
What does it take to self insure a 135 operation? Me thinks that would take a large proof of reserve capital. I don't think you get by step 1 of the 135 process until you show your insurance binder or financial ability to self insure. Maybe cargo only isn't so steep to do. Don't believe the actuaries aren't paying attention just because they lucked out on these losses, it makes them even more nervous.
What does it take to self insure a 135 operation? Me thinks that would take a large proof of reserve capital. I don't think you get by step 1 of the 135 process until you show your insurance binder or financial ability to self insure. Maybe cargo only isn't so steep to do. Don't believe the actuaries aren't paying attention just because they lucked out on these losses, it makes them even more nervous.
Left engine producing power, right one windmilling?
Maybe AMF can get the contract and start a Denver base. In that case I want to move to Colorado and fly cargo.
A right wing conspiracy!!!
They're flying mostly claptraps. Not much for the insurance company to pay on unless they actually hit something of value.
Those "claptraps" are the type of airplanes that keep Avgas relevant in this country. What's wrong with a freighter PA31? They are fairly easy to fly.
Lots of assumptions in that reply. I didn't make any judgment calls on how they affect the supply of Avgas nor did I say they were difficult or easy to fly.
I said they're junk versions of once-nice aircraft. They maintain them a few hundred yards from my hangar and park the stripped ones that'll never fly again there, that they steal parts off of to keep the rest going. Airworthy, but generally junk.
That's all I said. Come on out to the hangar and we can gawk at some of the ones that finally got grounded. Both the PA31s and the Metroliners. They're scattered all over the East ramp at APA. Dead ones there, dying ones over getting worked on at the mx hangar.
Not like this is news. The whole fleet is slowly dying.
That's SOP for an airline with dying airplanes. Not something exclusive to Key Lime.
That's SOP for an airline with dying airplanes. Not something exclusive to Key Lime.
That we accept this as ok because it is industry standard is both irrelevant and sad.
How else are you going to keep parts for what you are flying. Who has a large pile of SA227 parts, PA31 parts, or whatever old airplanes you have flying? Keep what you have, to support what you are still flying.
Yup. Sanford and Son theme song, and all.
So, sell your old unairworthy airplanes to a scrap yard, only to buy the parts back in 6 months to a year at a much higher cost? Good plan
So, sell your old unairworthy airplanes to a scrap yard, only to buy the parts back in 6 months to a year at a much higher cost? Good plan
You think the maritime industry is any different?That we accept this as ok because it is industry standard is both irrelevant and sad.
You think the maritime industry is any different?
My first job as Third Mate was for a company that bought scrapyard ships and put just enough money into them to get them past the Coast Guard....then they'd win the grain contracts with the lowest bid.
That company is still in business.
You don't sell them, you "put them out to pasture" and mechanics go out and pull parts and hardware as you need them. As an operator you actually keep your eyes out for "parts planes" and spare engine core deals.