KDVT to KOKB (Oceanside, CA)

[CC268]

Aircraft: Cherokee 140

I have a good friend in Oceanside and thought it would be a great cross country flight to do (my longest to date). It looks like it would be an easy flight, avoiding MOA's and outside of any big California Class B airspace.

Planned route so far is: KDVT BLH V460 JLIV208 ROBNN KOKB

Laundry list of comments/question here:

1. There is a note at Julian Vortac that states, "Extreme turbulence and severe up and down drafts during high winds". That freaks me out a bit.

2. Not really a concern but just noticed the runway length is 2700 feet - seems so short compared to what I am used to flying high DA airports. Performance charts show it wouldn't be an issue at all.

3. Would you guys refer to KOKB as Bob Maxwell traffic or Oceanside traffic?

4. Flying from Deer Valley to Oceanside I would open my Flight Plan with Prescott Radio before I grab flight following from Phoenix Approach (I will be flying on the weekend so Luke SATR will not be in effect most likely). However, out of curiosity...how would I open my flight plan with Prescott Radio if Luke SATR rules WERE in effect? I would have no time to call up Prescott Radio as I would be on with Luke Approach almost immediately after taking off from KDVT.

5. San Diego Radio on 122.1 to open my flight plan on the way back...I would listen in on Oceanside Vortac 115.3 correct?

So for you California people (MAKG, etc)...what do you guys think? Any suggestions? Tips? Better route?

Thanks.

 

[CC268]

I'm not from SOCAL, but have flown there many times.

1. I have seen the same note, but I have avoided flying there in high winds and have not experienced anything worse than you would experience in AZ on a hot summer day.
2. No comment
3. Listen to ASOS and the CTAF before talking. Use what you hear there, if nothing heard, I would use Oceanside.
4. Get yourself an account at 1800WXBRIEF and open/close flight plans with a text. It's called EasyActivate/EasyClose
5. Same as 4.

Plan for a marine layer early in the morning and plan your arrival accordingly.

I have a 1800WXBRIEF account, but didn't even realize they had that option (granted it has been a while as I have been using the FF Weather Brief). Cool.

Good point on the marine layer...I would leave around 7 and hope to arrive around 10:00-10:30. Hope to have my IR by the end of this year or early next year so that will come in handy for stuff like that!

 

[luvflyin]

There are a few wrecks on the mountainside around Julian. Respect it. It's almost always at least a little bumpy there. Getting around 25 knots or so winds is time to give it some serious thought. I wouldn't go right smack dab over JLI. Why pick the high spots. Look out west a ways. Lake Henshaw, Loma Madera, Mesa Grande. Go through that area. I have flown in the San Diego area a lot. Thats my recommendation. I've only flown into OKB a couple times since they named the airport after Bob. I used Bob Maxwell traffic. I also heard Oceanside traffic. The CTAF's around SOCAL are fairly well protected and there aren't other similar sounding airports in range so I wouldnt worry to much about that. My guess is probably more are using Maxwell as time goes on.

 

[CC268]

There are a few wrecks on the mountainside around Julian. Respect it. It's almost always at least a little bumpy there. Getting around 25 knots or so winds is time to give it some serious thought. I wouldn't go right smack dab over JLI. Why pick the high spots. Look out west a ways. Lake Henshaw, Loma Madera, Mesa Grande. Go through that area. I have flown in the San Diego area a lot. Thats my recommendation. I've only flown into OKB a couple times since they named the airport after Bob. I used Bob Maxwell traffic. I also heard Oceanside traffic. The CTAF's around SOCAL are fairly well protected and there aren't other similar sounding airports in range so I wouldnt worry to much about that. My guess is probably more are using Maxwell as time goes on.

Lima Madera and Lake Henshaw have some of the tallest peaks? That's why I looked at crossing further south.

What is the best way to check the winds in that area while in flight?

 

[luvflyin]

Lima Madera and Lake Henshaw have some of the tallest peaks? That's why I looked at crossing further south.

What is the best way to check the winds in that area while in flight?

When you're inbound to JLI along V460, about 6-7 miles Northeast of JLI then turn towards CRQ. Pass north of JLI and South of Lake Henshaw. Call FSS for winds. Ask Center or Approach if they have them or some PIREPS. Ask them if they can get the winds from another aircraft that is in the area close to your altitude. There are a lot of airplanes with avionics that can give the winds aloft to the nearest degree and knot

 

[CC268]

When you're inbound to JLI along V460, about 6-7 miles Northeast of JLI then turn towards CRQ. Pass north of JLI and South of Lake Henshaw. Call FSS for winds. Ask Center or Approach if they have them or some PIREPS. Ask them if they can get the winds from another aircraft that is in the area close to your altitude. There are a lot of airplanes with avionics that can give the winds aloft to the nearest degree and knot

Gotcha thanks - what is the name of that mountain range? I guess I could just ask what the winds are around Julian VOR and that would suffice. I could ask San Diego FSS if there have been any PIREPs reported as well, no?

If I am flying 8500 I figure I am at a good safe altitude. Wouldn't be flying 1000 ft over those mountains.

 

[comanchepilot]

check the length of route if you go:

BXK BLH TRM PSP BANDS

vs.

BLH V460 JLIV208 ROBNN

In my Comanche at 8500 I show 1hr 55 for your route vs. 2hr 02 for my choice - don't think you're really gonna notice those extra few min. In a Skyhawk / PA28 its prob closer to 20 min difference.

Mine has a lot lower terrain - thus - you will get a lot fewer bumps - and the Banning pass this time of year generally has winds 240-260 right through the throat so the turbulence is just a few bumps plus you have roads and civilization under you - never know if you might need it.

 

[CC268]

check the length of route if you go:

BXK BLH TRM PSP BANDS

vs.

BLH V460 JLIV208 ROBNN

In my Comanche at 8500 I show 1hr 55 for your route vs. 2hr 02 for my choice - don't think you're really gonna notice those extra few min. In a Skyhawk / PA28 its prob closer to 20 min difference.

Mine has a lot lower terrain - thus - you will get a lot fewer bumps - and the Banning pass this time of year generally has winds 240-260 right through the throat so the turbulence is just a few bumps plus you have roads and civilization under you - never know if you might need it.

Cool thanks for the additional route! Yea that adds about 20 minutes, not too bad.

 

[JonH]

OKB goes by "Oceanside traffic".

There are some published noise abatement procedures there that make the traffic pattern kinda wacky. If you can't find them let me know. There's some temple that you're not supposed to fly over. I The runway seems even shorter when you have rising terrain on the departure end.

122.1 to tx and rx on Oceanside 115.3. Don't forget to tell them you're listening on 115.3. I have a video of landing there if it helps. My CFI was flying skydivers and he recognized my Cessna Triple-Zero call sign. It's because the tail number had tree zeros

 

[CC268]

OKB goes by "Oceanside traffic".

There are some published noise abatement procedures there that make the traffic pattern kinda wacky. If you can't find them let me know. There's some temple that you're not supposed to fly over. I The runway seems even shorter when you have rising terrain on the departure end.

122.1 to tx and rx on Oceanside 115.3. Don't forget to tell them you're listening on 115.3. I have a video of landing there if it helps. My CFI was flying skydivers and he recognized my Cessna Triple-Zero call sign. It's because the tail number had tree zeros

Yea I see the noise abatement procedures in the AFD seem simple enough. Thanks for the tips!