Kazan Boeing crash caught on camera

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Viewer discretion is advised....RIP to all those involved it is really surreal to watch.

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Yes, I think that was a wing strobe - but it certainly looked to be completely vertical (and wing to the camera) coming down. Gotta be a good story in the black boxes there somewhere.
 
It's just a regular departure stall. Pulled just a shade too hard at go-around. The final exchange was a report of go-around due to missing some "landing configuration parameters" (something like too fast, too high, forgot to put gear down), tower acknowledged and assigned a bolter procedure, crew said roger to that and that was it. Lots of 150s and Skyhawks went nose down exactly like the video after trying to climb with flaps too.
 
Odd that a steady but seemingly handheld camera could capture the crash at the exact same place that the camera was pointed, without movement.
 
nddons said:
Odd that a steady but seemingly handheld camera could capture the crash at the exact same place that the camera was pointed, without movement.
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Report I read said it was a security camera probably not hand held. Horrific video.
 
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Initial reading of flight recorder says the captain reacted with nose-down input to the thrust and restored AoA of 15, but then kept dialing nose-down all the way to the vertical. Seems like a sudden onset of spatial disorientation due to engine thrust in TOGA mode.
 
zaitcev said:
Initial reading of flight recorder says the captain reacted with nose-down input to the thrust and restored AoA of 15, but then kept dialing nose-down all the way to the vertical. Seems like a sudden onset of spatial disorientation due to engine thrust in TOGA mode.
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Do you have a source you can share?
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Do you have a source you can share?
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The page is inside a web frame (Russian government website is stuck in 1999, apparently), but it exists:
http://mak.ru/russian/investigations/2013/boeing-737-500_vq-bbn.html

The money quote - look for the first 11/19 record:
Двигатели вышли на режим, близкий к взлётному. Экипаж убрал закрылки из положения 30° в положение 15°.
Под действием кабрирующего момента от тяги двигателей, самолёт перешёл в набор высоты и достиг угла тангажа около 25°. Приборная скорость начала уменьшаться. Экипаж произвёл уборку шасси. С момента начала ухода на второй круг до этого времени активных действий по штурвальному управлению самолётом экипаж не предпринимал.
После уменьшении скорости со 150 до 125 уз экипаж начал управляющие действия колонкой штурвала по переводу самолёта в пикирование, которое привело к прекращению набора высоты, началу снижения самолёта и росту приборной скорости. Максимальные углы атаки в процессе полёта не превышали эксплуатационных ограничений.
Самолёт, достигнув высоты 700 м, начал интенсивное пикирование с углом тангажа, достигшим к концу полёта -75° (концу записи).
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I was wrong about captain, officially we don't know who was the PF at this time. CVR is not found and apparently it was missing from its container (possibly not installed to begin with).

P.S. The site notionally has an English version, but the up-to-minute updates on investigations are only in Russian.
 
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From the page Peter posted, several updates.

Early FDR analysis (rough Google translation from Russian):

The Technical Commission of the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) to investigate the accident with the aircraft Boeing 737-500 airline "Tatarstan" informs about the preliminary results of the parametric interpretation of trip recorder.

During the approach the crew failed to set the standard in accordance with the established regulatory documentation scheme . Assessing the position of the aircraft relative to the runway as "neposadochnoe," the crew reported a manager and began a go-around mode TOGA (Take Off / Go Around. Takeoff / Go-around). At the same time, involved in the approach of the two autopilot was disconnected and a further flight took place in manual mode.

Engines took to the regime close to the take-off. The crew removed the flaps from position to position 30 ° 15 °.

Under the influence of pitching moment of the thrust, the plane went into the climb and reached a pitch angle of about 25 °. Indicated airspeed began to decrease. The crew made a retraction. Since the start of the missed until then to take action to wheel control plane crew did not take.

After reducing the speed from 150 to 125 knots crew began a column wheel control actions to transfer the aircraft into a dive, which led to the termination of the climb, top to reduce aircraft and an increase in airspeed. The maximum angle of attack during the flight did not exceed the operating limits.

Aircraft, reaching a height of 700 m (2296 feet), has started intensive dive with the angle of pitch, reached the end of the flight to -75 ° (end of recording).

Aircraft collided with the ground at high speed (over 450 km/h, 279.6 mph) and a large negative pitch angle.

From the start of a go-around to finish the recording took about 45 seconds, reducing it took about 20 seconds.

Propulsion worked until the collision with the ground plane. Single commands describing failures of systems and units of aircraft and engines on the results of the preliminary analysis did not reveal.

Ongoing analysis and decoding of parametric information.

Commission notes that at the opening of the voice data recorder container protected container with tape transport mechanism was missing. The Commission continues to search for the device.

Technical Commission continues to work on the site of the accident. We study the documentation of the airline and flight crew training, including with the assistance of highly qualified line pilots who have extensive experience in operating this type of aircraft in the leading Russian airlines. We study the technical documentation airlines, including aircraft maintenance and maintenance of airworthiness in accordance with international rules. Analyzed data of ground-based objective control, data and meteorological situation of air traffic services.

MAK technical commission will be regularly informed about the progress of the investigation.
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They subsequently DID find the voice recorder:

The Technical Commission of the Interstate Aviation Committee (IAC) to investigate the accident Boeing 737-500 airline "Tatarstan" informs that the accident site found the carrier block voice data flight recorder.

Found the unit will be delivered to the MAC for a Science and Technology Center Committee needed works.

The Science and Technology Center continues to run a large amount of work to further explanation and analysis of parametric recorder including flight Kazan-Domodedovo preceding the crash, and other missions.

Works on synchronization and co-processing of records of terrestrial and airborne objective control.

Technical Commission continues its work at the accident site.
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And in the latest update, from today, the equivalent of their NTSB basically says "if you're part of the media, PLEASE stop saying that 'it crashed because it was old,' the facts just don't support it!"

In connection with the emerging media questions about the causes of the disaster and versions Boeing-737-500 airline "Tatarstan", the Technical Commission of the Interstate Aviation Committee (MAK) informs:

According to objective control airborne systems failures, components and controls the aircraft, including channel elevator, is not fixed. Aircraft engines worked until the collision with the ground.

MAK repeatedly explained that the ICAO standards, so-called "old" and "new" aircraft does not exist. The main thing for safety - Airworthiness of aircraft and not its age. There is no direct relationship between disasters of aircraft and their age. Over the past five years the number of accidents in the world, including Russia, with a seating capacity of aircraft over 50 seats for the same aircraft up to 5 years of age and over 30 years.

According to available information the average age in the U.S. operated by Boeing 500-737-20.4 years. In Europe - 20.3 years. In the world there are over 7,600 aircraft of Boeing. Their total duration is 257.6 million flight hours. Coefficient disasters Boeing 737s to 100,000 flying hours is less than 0.05.

Interstate Aviation Committee requests to refrain from "PR" and populism against the background of severe tragedy. It injures relatives of the victims, feverish work aviation transport industry.

MAK technical commission professional work continues to establish the circumstances and causes of the disaster, in accordance with ICAO standards.
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Interesting update:
The Boeing 737's captain may have only been qualified to serve as a navigator, the Investigative Committee said.
It appears he obtained his commercial pilot's licence from a flight centre which has since been closed down.
[...]
Mr Markin told Russia's Interfax news agency there was reason to believe "many pilots, working for smaller Russian airlines" had "effectively received fake commercial licences" as they had not undergone proper training.
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Complete article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25271235
 
Jim Logajan said:
Interesting update:
The Boeing 737's captain may have only been qualified to serve as a navigator, the Investigative Committee said.
It appears he obtained his commercial pilot's licence from a flight centre which has since been closed down.
[...]
Mr Markin told Russia's Interfax news agency there was reason to believe "many pilots, working for smaller Russian airlines" had "effectively received fake commercial licences" as they had not undergone proper training.
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Complete article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25271235
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Wow. :yikes:
 
Another possibility:

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