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[JeffDG]

They don't pay until the order is complete. So, as I said before, no partial credit.

And that's not even getting into the personal side of my life.

You don't get your grade until you hand in the exam either.

Once you deliver your order to the customer, you've submitted your exam to be graded. If you get no partial credit, then any defect means you get zero payment for the order. There's no option to correct errors or defects, so 99,999 out of 100,000 means no payment whatsoever. That's the standard you're pushing for.

In your personal life, that standard would hold that you would be divorced if you were five minutes late getting home for dinner.

The simple fact is, people receive partial credit for good (but not perfect) work all the time in "the real world".

 

[EdFred]

You don't get your grade until you hand in the exam either.

Once you deliver your order to the customer, you've submitted your exam to be graded. If you get no partial credit, then any defect means you get zero payment for the order. There's no option to correct errors or defects, so 99,999 out of 100,000 means no payment whatsoever. That's the standard you're pushing for.

In your personal life, that standard would hold that you would be divorced if you were five minutes late getting home for dinner.

The simple fact is, people receive partial credit for good (but not perfect) work all the time in "the real world".

Finally, you get it. It only took how many posts? I even have customers that back charge for mistakes. So not only do we not get partial credit, we get negative credit.

No, in my personal life it means any little screw up on a date means no second date. No second date = no partial credit. It's a binary switch.

 

[JeffDG]

Finally, you get it. It only took how many posts? I even have customers that back charge for mistakes. So not only do we not get partial credit, we get negative credit.

No, in my personal life it means any little screw up on a date means no second date. No second date = no partial credit. It's a binary switch.

But you're claiming the opportunity to correct the defect after submission to the customer.

 

[EdFred]

But you're claiming the opportunity to correct the defect after submission to the customer.

And how many students get to turn in their exam a second time?
It's a different dynamic.

We get paid zero until 100,000 units is met. If we say "no, you're stuck with 99,999 too bad on the last one," we get 0. So no, unless you are saying it's OK for a student to keep resubmitting an exam, you aren't even close on the comparison of partial credit.

 

[JeffDG]

And how many students get to turn in their exam a second time?
It's a different dynamic.

We get paid zero until 100,000 units is met. If we say "no, you're stuck with 99,999 too bad on the last one," we get 0. So no, unless you are saying it's OK for a student to keep resubmitting an exam, you aren't even close on the comparison of partial credit.

You're saying it's equivalent, yet you get to keep submitting widgets until you get 100% of them right. The equivalent for the student would be able to get the graded paper back, and resubmit it with corrections.

 

[poadeleted21]

LOL

 

[EdFred]

You're saying it's equivalent, yet you get to keep submitting widgets until you get 100% of them right. The equivalent for the student would be able to get the graded paper back, and resubmit it with corrections.

I never said it was the equivalent, you did. You were the one that brought up all the post sale defect. I'm not even a manufacturer, so your entire premise was way off base to begin with.

 

[N801BH]

Neither is his assertion that "In the real life, you don't get credit for partially successful outcomes"

There are very few real-life situations where the result is either perfection or nothing. Real life is all about partially successful outcomes.

Your standards are alot lower then mine... I always shoot for a 100%, and I walk through all my jobs looking for any imperfections before I turn the keys over to the owner...

I probably didn't express myself properly either as my point was the student didn't fail the entire test...... Only the question the teacher gave partial credit to... He should have not gotten any credit for it. IMHO.

 

[jesse]

It's pretty ridiculous to act like you don't get credit when you make errors in life. It's all about how you handle those errors that will carry you forward. If you focus so much on never making an error you'll always have one foot on the brake, another on the gas, and you won't be going anywhere at all.

In my line of work, software, you most certainly do deliver and expect to get paid for products that contain errors. It's the nature of the beast.

 

[N801BH]

....... More like anarchy. Tenured faculty have all the power.

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Another great reason why Tenure should be banned from the education system... It breeds second rate success....

 

[Ted]

Your standards are alot lower then mine... I always shoot for a 100%, and I walk through all my jobs looking for any imperfections before I turn the keys over to the owner...

I probably didn't express myself properly either as my point was the student didn't fail the entire test...... Only the question the teacher gave partial credit to... He should have not gotten any credit for it. IMHO.

A lot of engineering tests might only be one question, but it's a really long question with multiple parts. Remember, a test is only 30 minutes to 2 hours. Just like with your construction, real world takes longer than that. So you might be doing one problem with many components to it. Get one component wrong, everything else is wrong.

Partial credit is common in engineering tests and is realistic for how engineering works, especially since the real world has others proofreading, reviewing, etc. And if it's a decision that only takes 30 minutes to deal with, it's probably not very important.

 

[EdFred]

Your standards are alot lower then mine... I always shoot for a 100%, and I walk through all my jobs looking for any imperfections before I turn the keys over to the owner...

I probably didn't express myself properly either as my point was the student didn't fail the entire test...... Only the question the teacher gave partial credit to... He should have not gotten any credit for it. IMHO.

Which is actually a more accurate parallel.

Let's say I have to ship 100 of product X to a customer overseas. Say it is part number 1-234. If I ship them 100 of part number 1-235, I get $0. The accurate parallel is that I got every question wrong on the test. I'm not going to get paid for shipping them something close. If I ship them 90 1-234 and 10 1-235, I get paid for 90 of the correct one. Just like getting 90 out of 100 questions right on the test. But they don't pay me for partial on the 10 I got shipped wrong. In some cases, the customer says don't worry about the other 10, but I'm only paying you for 90. I say no problem, and call it complete. I turned in my test, and I got a 90. I still didn't get partial credit for shipping the wrong 10.

As a customer are you really going to say, "well part number 1-235 is pretty close to 1-234 I will pay you for being close." Hell no. I'm not going to get a cent for the wrong product. So why is a professor giving partial credit for getting "close."

And to piggyback on Ted's parallel if they order a single machine, which has a lot of the same internal parts to the incorrect one that I shipped, but doesn't do what they want, I'm still getting $0. They aren't going to pay me for getting "close."

 

[MAKG1]

Another great reason why Tenure should be banned from the education system... It breeds second rate success....

Only if you believe that universities are factories and its professors working stiffs.

The university model has its problems, but independence of ideas -- and grading -- from external control is not one of them.

This whole thread is trying to point out an "abuse" that's actually impossible within the tenure system. Take that away, and it's entirely possible.

 

[NoHeat]

Has anybody who has replied to this thread actually read the article mentioned in the first post?

It's supposed to be a joke. And everyone on this thread is posting about serious stuff.

excerpt:

The B+ grade is reserved for students who have committed assault. ¶ The B grade may be awarded as a joke, before being replaced with a higher grade, so long as the instructor has checked with the registrar that the student’s psychological profile permits practical jokes of a cruel nature.
¶ Contrary to “urban legend,” grades lower than B do exist, and should be awarded without hesitation to any and all work submitted by farm animals.

 

[N801BH]

Has anybody who has replied to this thread actually read the article mentioned in the first post?

Nope........ Like Nate... I was not going to subscribe to the NYT either....

My comments were based on grading tests on a curve...:wink2:

 

[ClimbnSink]

Yeah, but Professor Mansfield has been criticizing Harvard's grade inflation for years. Valid point, about it being a joke so let's get back to the Harvard bashing.

Has anybody who has replied to this thread actually read the article mentioned in the first post?

It's supposed to be a joke. And everyone on this thread is posting about serious stuff.

excerpt:

The B+ grade is reserved for students who have committed assault. ¶ The B grade may be awarded as a joke, before being replaced with a higher grade, so long as the instructor has checked with the registrar that the student’s psychological profile permits practical jokes of a cruel nature.
¶ Contrary to “urban legend,” grades lower than B do exist, and should be awarded without hesitation to any and all work submitted by farm animals.

 

[docmirror]

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