Is this the end of PoA?

Jim Morrison could write a song about that. Too bad he's been in hiding for 50 years.
 
AI could easily replace POA anyway.
 
On a serious note, either disrupt yourself or watch yourself being disrupted (by Cirrus in this case).
An incredible airplane, but not many things stay competitive for 80 years.
 
If this is the end of POA, the most recent posts were created in the fall of 2023, when Textron stopped taking orders for Bos and g58s because the only sales guy they had that could fly a piston aircraft retired.
 
TCABM said:
If this is the end of POA, the most recent posts were created in the fall of 2023, when Textron stopped taking orders for Bos and g58s because the only sales guy they had that could fly a piston aircraft retired.
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In 2019 or 2020 (I was training, but I don't remember if it was private or instrument), the nicest, shiniest Bonanza I had ever seen pulled up to the fbo at cmi. Three young guys in Textron/ beechcraft polos hopped out. I complemented the beautiful plane and asked what was up. They said it was brand new and they were delivering it. I thought they said they were delivering it there, but i never saw it again. Kinda wish I knew what the tail number was. I suppose that would've been within 30 or so of the end of the line. Wonder what will happen to the last one.
 
Initial Fix said:
As a Bo owner it’s a sad day. But textron really never did much with it, or beech beforehand. Cirrus developed a fantastic platform that crushed the space and, IMO, beech sat on their laurels doing little to improve beyond fancy interiors and avionics while sales dwindled.
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What else could they do to improve it? If they changed the airframe very much, it wouldn't be a Bo, would it?

Along the same line of questions, other than interior or avionics, what's changed with a Cirrus since it was introduced?
 
Cap'n Jack said:
What else could they do to improve it? If they changed the airframe very much, it wouldn't be a Bo, would it?

Along the same line of questions, other than interior or avionics, what's changed with a Cirrus since it was introduced?
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Maybe one day, BYD will offer a 3d printed fly-by-wire kitplane in flat pack form ;)
 
All things eventually come to an end, and Bo’s hung on for 80 years. It’s time to move forward to more modern aircraft, like 1960s Musketeers.
 
Cap'n Jack said:
What else could they do to improve it? If they changed the airframe very much, it wouldn't be a Bo, would it?
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Two doors for a start. I suppose a BRS. You do those two and it would have attracted another look from folks willing to drop $1M + on a new plane but then I suppose that market isn't enough to make a dent in Textrons bottom line given the engineering that would need to be done.
 
Pugs said:
Two doors for a start. I suppose a BRS. You do those two and it would have attracted another look from folks willing to drop $1M + on a new plane
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Ford should follow the same logic. All they need to do to this model is add ABS, adaptive cruise control, a modern engine and a few more items and just keep producing the same body style for 80 years. I mean, after all, it will be updated, right?

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Doc Holliday said:
Ford should follow the same logic. All they need to do to this model is add ABS, adaptive cruise control, a modern engine and a few more items and just keep producing the same body style for 80 years. I mean, after all, it will be updated, right?

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I'd rather buy that than any of the body-styles Ford is currently making.
 
Look how well retro styled cars sell, and none of those look as good as the originals due to modern safety and emission standards. Bronco, Jeep, Mustang, Charger. Going back a few years, Camaro, Thunderbird, PT Cruiser, HHR, SSR, Prowler.

Styling wasn't Bonanza's problem. Nor was performance. It's problem was that it's too small. It was big enough in the 60s, but now that the average male has another 4" and 50lbs, it's tight. Get into a cirrus and it feels like a modern car in both space and comfort. With similar performance and the added safety of BRS, it's pretty obvious why cirrus took over the market.
 
Yeah, you need to create a clean sheet design every 40 years or so. Boeing, how's keeping those squatty gear legs on the 737 working for y'all?
 
I am flabbergasted they never added a BRS in the last 20 years, even as an option. I think a LOT of people went Cirrus and the tipping point was BRS
 
MIFlyer said:
I am flabbergasted they never added a BRS in the last 20 years, even as an option. I think a LOT of people went Cirrus and the tipping point was BRS
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I believe that would require redesigning the airframe and hence a new certification. If so, the investment would be tough to recoup.
 
RyanB said:
Lol, just saying they’re very comfortable to fly, the avionics integration is top notch, faster cruise speed, no gear to swing etc.

Just my 2c if money was no object ;)
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They're lovely places to be, I just don't find them lovely to fly.

Sadly it's probably the rational choice these days. I do feel the Beech community is in a sharp decline of late, and about to get sharper.
 
I think every Baron and Bo made in the last decade could fit in my front yard. Not many new ones, especially at the prices they get.
 
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