Is an image of you in your skivvies in a TSA database?

And someone in another thread wondered why.... oh, never mind, that was in spin zone.
 
I went through ABQ a while ago, and told them I was pregnant to avoid that. Clearly this tactic only works for females. However, after I said that, I was told that anyone can opt out, and choose hand-wanding instead. I would rather be hand-wanded than go through that thing.
 
bluee said:
I went through ABQ a while ago, and told them I was pregnant to avoid that. Clearly this tactic only works for females. However, after I said that, I was told that anyone can opt out, and choose hand-wanding instead. I would rather be hand-wanded than go through that thing.
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Is "hand wanding" even legal in public? Excuse me how much for a hand wand?
 
bluee said:
I went through ABQ a while ago, and told them I was pregnant to avoid that. Clearly this tactic only works for females. However, after I said that, I was told that anyone can opt out, and choose hand-wanding instead. I would rather be hand-wanded than go through that thing.
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Suuuuurrrreee... just like you could refuse to take off your shoes but if you did they'd send you to the concrete room for further inspection.

And no, since I've refused the honor of paying for abuse they don't have my picture.
 
You're all just jealous I can get out of it!
 
But any substance is still ok as long as it's in a bottle labeled "contact lens solution"? And they won't/can't check it?

It's like a bad comic!

TSA = idiots. Sadly, public = idiots, too, for thinking this scheme is somehow worth their tax dollars.
 
OK, here's a very dumb question, I know... but what's w/ the scans? What the H*** are they looking for anyway? a weapon concealed in a creative way?
 
Jeanie said:
OK, here's a very dumb question, I know... but what's w/ the scans? What the H*** are they looking for anyway? a weapon concealed in a creative way?
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You want dumber? THESE WOULD NOT HAVE CAUGHT THE UNDIE BOMBER! You know, the very excuse the vendor and their lobbyists jumped on to get the $billions in sales!
 
Let me say again, I will not ever consent to a "virtual strip search", ever. If it becomes mandatory I will never set foot on an airliner again.
One of the local Sheriff's Offices installed one of these at the Sheriff's Office / Courthouse. I refused to consent and told them I would not attend meetings at their facility.
 
I heard someone say - The TSA wants you to go through a scanner so they can look at you naked, but they arrest you if you take your clothes off, what do they want?
 
When I was in seventh grade, George Orwell's 1984 was required reading.

Yesterday afternoon, I was helping out a friend at his store, and I made a casual comment about Orwell. The two kids who work for him (18 and 15 years old) asked me who Orwell was. I asked, "Didn't you have to read 1984 when you were in seventh grade?" No, it turns out. They didn't.

I proceeded to explain the thrust of the story, along with some details such as the cameras, the monitoring of all communications, and so forth. But I was met with polite, but obviously bored, blank stares. What had seemed far-fetched and futuristic, in an evil sort of way, when I was in seventh grade, no longer had the same effect on these kids.

I told them I'd pick up a couple of copies of the book and let them read it for themselves. "K," they answered, and got back to their work.

-Rich
 
RJM62 said:
When I was in seventh grade, George Orwell's 1984 was required reading.

Yesterday afternoon, I was helping out a friend at his store, and I made a casual comment about Orwell. The two kids who work for him (18 and 15 years old) asked me who Orwell was. I asked, "Didn't you have to read 1984 when you were in seventh grade?" No, it turns out. They didn't.

I proceeded to explain the thrust of the story, along with some details such as the cameras, the monitoring of all communications, and so forth. But I was met with polite, but obviously bored, blank stares. What had seemed far-fetched and futuristic, in an evil sort of way, when I was in seventh grade, no longer had the same effect on these kids.

I told them I'd pick up a couple of copies of the book and let them read it for themselves. "K," they answered, and got back to their work.

-Rich
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To the Facebook/Foursquare/etc generation neither Orwell nor privacy mean anything.
 
Pi1otguy said:
Can I get a female agent to hand me? You know, to atleast make it interesting.
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Sure but her name BigBertha and she outweighs you by a couple hundred pounds. Plus there are rumors that she wasn't originally female. Still interested?
 
gismo said:
Sure but her name BigBertha and she outweighs you by a couple hundred pounds. Plus there are rumors that she wasn't originally female. Still interested?
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I was going to make a comment that I have yet to see an attractive female tsa agent, but you beat me to it.


Once I went through the security line, and some tsa agent was severely hassling some poor kid about his over-sized acne medicine, which he clearly needed. This went on for minutes, and I didn't see if he got to keep it or not. So anyway, I get home and then I couldn't find my Swiss Army knife, which I thought I had packed into my checked bag. I finally found it inside my carry-on bag. So I went through security with a Swiss Army knife, while some kid was given the third degree over acne medicine.
 
gismo said:
Sure but her name BigBertha and she outweighs you by a couple hundred pounds. Plus there are rumors that she wasn't originally female. Still interested?
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With government you just accept certain reductions in quality .
wait, what?
 
the system are built with filters to "protect the identity, modesty, and privacy of the passenger."
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So, uh, why exactly do they save the images?????? For training purposes?? "Look, recruit, these are hundreds of images of naked travellers who had absolutely nothing hidden on their person."

This is fricking ridiculous. And not at all unexpected. Who designs a computer that can't store anything???? USB thumbdrives will be walking out of TSA offices on a regular basis.
 
RJM62 said:
I proceeded to explain the thrust of the story, along with some details such as the cameras, the monitoring of all communications, and so forth. But I was met with polite, but obviously bored, blank stares. What had seemed far-fetched and futuristic, in an evil sort of way, when I was in seventh grade, no longer had the same effect on these kids.
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It's too late. They would have to know what it was like before. Someone needs to write "1955".
 
All I can say is anyone who wants to see an image of me in my skivvies is in serious need of psychiatric treatment. I don't even think Fran wants to see such an image. So frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.
 
Ron Levy said:
All I can say is anyone who wants to see an image of me in my skivvies is in serious need of psychiatric treatment. I don't even think Fran wants to see such an image. So frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.
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WRT yours or mine ditto but if my daughter's scanner image showed up on someone's computer or worse yet, the internet, I'd care very seriously. Personally I think the whole notion of taking "see through" images of passengers is a significant privacy invasion, not really any different technically from requiring people to disrobe in a private room sans screeners but equipped with cameras that display images to screeners in another room and I know that would never "fly". What's needed is some software that analyzes the scanner images and displays only the non-human aspects to the screeners. I can't imagine that this would be all that difficult to accomplish although it might be tricky to do it in a way that couldn't be fooled by someone who knew the algorithms.
 
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flyersfan31 said:
So, uh, why exactly do they save the images?????? For training purposes?? "Look, recruit, these are hundreds of images of naked travellers who had absolutely nothing hidden on their person."

This is fricking ridiculous. And not at all unexpected. Who designs a computer that can't store anything???? USB thumbdrives will be walking out of TSA offices on a regular basis.
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Evidence.

Even though TSA says they don't store images, we'll only find out the truth when something (bad) happens and the images get brought into the legal case.
 
Ron Levy said:
All I can say is anyone who wants to see an image of me in my skivvies is in serious need of psychiatric treatment. I don't even think Fran wants to see such an image. So frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn.
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The images don't show your skivvies.
 
flyersfan31 said:
So, uh, why exactly do they save the images?????? For training purposes?? "Look, recruit, these are hundreds of images of naked travellers who had absolutely nothing hidden on their person."
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Exactly. This way they can take another stab at shafting Kevin Smith, "You see this guy, class? When we saw that huge "mass" between his legs he was subjected to a strip search. It was all him."
 
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OMG!!!

XKCD nails it!

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gismo said:
WRT yours or mine ditto but if my daughter's scanner image showed up on someone's computer or worse yet, the internet, I'd care very seriously.
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Right, and as I'm sure you know, that is EXACTLY what will happen eventually.

Apparently, they also wanted to test these new scanners in Germany - until they "noticed" that the scanners were produced by L3. And L3 also produces cluster bombs. So now they're probably not going to order any. Hilarious.

-Felix
 
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