iOS 11 “Whack-a-Mole” game

Discussion in 'Avionics and Upgrades' started by Pilawt, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. denverpilot

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    @timwinters your post got cut off but the full article that Apple slows the devices down as the batteries age, purposefully, was not too surprising.

    And since the thread started... how many iOS 11 versions are we up to now?! LOL. It’s just getting sad at this point.
     
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    Yeah, and they changed the algorithm from one version to the next in iOS 10, leading to an immediate slowdown for a lot of folks. But they ain't talking...
     
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    And the iOS version updates have been coming out so quickly that Foreflight hasn't been able to keep up. The last time they were able to issue an "all clear" was several versions ago.

    https://blog.foreflight.com/category/software-updates/
     
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    I pinged Foreflight about a month ago telling them that it's past time they move away from their iThingy only format...that many of us out here are growing weary of our iThingies and may move to other EFB software if Foreflight doesn't start playing nice with other operating systems.

    And I wasn't just blowing smoke, I was a very early adopter of Foreflight and love it, but I'm seriously considering jumping ship and, if you are too, then maybe it'd help if you also let Foreflight know.

    Like I said, I love Foreflight but I really dislike everything Apple these days.
     
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    I haven’t emailed them because I assume Tyson and crew aren’t stupid and see this wave coming that’s about to crash into their ship. All it takes is Garmin to get serious about android before they do, and they’re in serious trouble, business-wise. I also want nothing to do with Tim Cook’s mess.

    Of course Garmin can just wait, let ForeFlight build an android version first using a lot of capital to do it, and then catch up in a matter of a quarter or two if they’re willing to spend the capital.

    ForeFlight made strategic moves to lock in corporate and airline flight departments but talking to some folks who are stuck on iPad at a couple of airlines, they’re not happy with the results. Managing AppleIDs in a corporate environment is a complete mess and I’ve talked to at least one airline captain who was locked in Apple vs his Corporate IT department hell — when his IT department didn’t know what AppleID and password they created, and Apple Business Support said they couldn’t help him fix his company iOS device without it. Company IT would say “Call Apple” and Apple would say “call your IT department”.

    “No big deal”, it was only his charts needed to fly the airplane stuck in the useless broken tablet that was unusable. He said neither side ever figured it out and he literally got lucky that corporate mailed out the next version of iPad to him in between trips. He said he would have had fun telling crew scheduling he wasn’t coming to work until IT got him an iPad that worked. He shipped the dead one back to corporate and hoped they had fun with it.

    Software wise, Android is a mess. But Apple’s making a mess of iOS too, so the price differential is becoming less and less worth it.

    Microcenter has Galaxy Tab E Lites on sale in-store only for $49. It’s not exactly the top of the line, but $49 for last year’s model? Tablets are headed for commodity pricing. People are using phablets or large phones now.

    ForeFlight recognized that trend too, fixing the broken mess that the phone version was. That project isn’t quite done yet, but close. And you can see the trend and their response. With Apple likely to kill the best size format for flying (iPad mini) soon, there’s another reason to look for Apple alternatives in the cockpit.

    Being roped to Cook as a climbing partner is a good way to fall off the mountain to your death. LOL. Not sure anyone knows how to climb on the android side other than Samsung either, but Cook continues to show a lack of ability to add real value. He’s not an innovator.

    The leaks of Galaxy 9 and 10 already out show Samsung isn’t going to play games with Apple. “Thanks for buying our screens for iPhone X while you wait on your investment in LG to finally pay off. We’ll use that capital to make something even cooler while you wait for hardware.”

    It’s a software race now. Apple can’t keep up on hardware buying all of it from competitors, unless they pay through the nose for exclusivity deals. And Apple’s software engineering is at a ten year low, quality wise. Good time for a competitor to kick them, real hard. If Samsung hadn’t screwed up the Note 7 they’d be in an even better position to kick. As it stands they kicked pretty hard with Note 8 and S8. The new commercial showing the guy leaving Apple for the holidays is cute, too.

    Both of them need to come back down into the $650 price point on the smart phones to totally take over the phone market. Whoever does that first makes billions if the device will last at least three years.
     
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    ForeFlight jumped some versions. Just got the clear message for 11.2.1 from them.
     
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    Wait ... WHAT??
    iCrap battery life span is measured in hours? Ouch!

    I could not justify owning a device that costs more than a retract annual and won't last a few days. Frankly, I charge my smart phone once a week. Sometime twice if I use it more.
    If my cell phone lasted 4 hours, I would find the monkey who designed it and feed it to the wolves. Plenty of smart engineers out there who can design devices properly.

    Now back to your regular programming, continue complaining about how the crApple monkeys can't even write code worth a chit if they need to release updates every week. :)
     
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    I suspect that part of the issue is that GA isn't driving the bus any more. They've moved big time into the EFB business for commercial & airline operations. It's not cheap do do that reliably on multiple platforms, and there may well be certification issues with either the FAA or individual purchasers (most larger corporations will require certification of some kind).

    Can it be done? Absolutely.
    Can it be done cost effectively? Don't have enough data to know.

    Even though GA brought them to the table, I suspect that the GA community is a drop in the revenue bucked compared to the 121/141 operations.
     
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    Good point
     
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    Yabut we know the econ question is whether android sales will fund an android development team. There’s really no reason to stay married to Apple in this equation. For certification they can specify hardware and os release number just as they do with Apple.
     
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    And Apple 'fessed up today....
     
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    Garmin pilot not working well with iOs update as well. My new GDL-52 will not stay connected and sirius XM music choppy. I'm really tired of iOs issues and now that we know we have evidence that Apple is purposely slowing down older devices to sell new ones. The more they bloat the software the worse it will get. What are some good Android tablets these days that rival the iPad mini?