Inheritance etiquette PSA

The legal ability, vs the practical ability differ. Real Estate is one of the few industries that managed to actually practice anti-competitive behavior for decades before getting called out on it.

Tim

I don’t understand the difference. I always got a few percent knocked off just by asking my listing brokers (except my first sale in 1998 which I didn’t know any better). I haven’t really paid much attention to the recent changes from the NAR lawsuit but I need to eventually learn.
 
I don’t understand the difference. I always got a few percent knocked off just by asking my listing brokers (except my first sale in 1998 which I didn’t know any better). I haven’t really paid much attention to the recent changes from the NAR lawsuit but I need to eventually learn.
The case was effectively about steerage. Let's say your area has a 2.5% buyers agency fee average. If you lowered the rate (did not matter the amount), which was published by the MLS, the plaintiffs found blatant evidence of buyer agents steering prospective and actual customers away from your property. This is considered collusion between the buyers agent and the selling agent.

It has never been illegal for you to negotiate with the listing agent. which is how you now have many smaller discount brokerages which take a flat fee to enter the property into the MLS. But they do not really provide any services past the entry.

Tim
 
Have a VERY flat real-estate market in Seattle right now. Our agent suggested a lot of clean-up/upgrades to the house (repainting rooms, replacing carpet, etc.) which we had to pay for, of course.

Yet with that flat market, she managed to sell the house within two weeks of it being listed. Two other houses on the same street (group of 12 houses) went on the market earlier, and STILL haven't sold. What she's getting from our sale, she's earned.

Ron Wanttaja
Once you get past “location, location, and location,” you need to make the house stand out from the others in that location….or even make it worthwhile to look at. A good real estate agent can make a big difference, even in great markets.

Plus, I managed to knock a hole in drywall (improperly installed bathtub) two days before my open house as I was leaving for a 5-day trip. My agent found someone to get it fixed, and the house sold that weekend.
 
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Well, oddly-enough, my parents just gave me the very malt machine that I mentioned earlier in this thread, lol. They had recently put their home up for sale and it sold within the first week (while having nothing but the pad finished for their next home/shop). So we are rushing to clear out the stuff in their house and when I was carrying the malt machine to their truck to be taken to storage, they insisted I just throw it in my SUV since it just sits around and would go to me anyway. Joke's on them, they just gave away their only bargaining chip for my fealty!
 
The case was effectively about steerage. Let's say your area has a 2.5% buyers agency fee average. If you lowered the rate (did not matter the amount), which was published by the MLS, the plaintiffs found blatant evidence of buyer agents steering prospective and actual customers away from your property. This is considered collusion between the buyers agent and the selling agent.

It has never been illegal for you to negotiate with the listing agent. which is how you now have many smaller discount brokerages which take a flat fee to enter the property into the MLS. But they do not really provide any services past the entry.

Tim
The case unfortunately did little to remedy the steerage problem, which is still occurring unhindered. The suit only mandated they remove the %share from the MLS, but didn't preclude it from being shared elsewhere.
There's been a number of articles over the last year in WSJ/NYT discussing how realtors are violating the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

Personally, I'd like to see another lawsuit that bankrupts NAR and disassembles them, along with any brokerages that tries and operate like a cartel to the detriment of the market and their clients.
 
The case unfortunately did little to remedy the steerage problem, which is still occurring unhindered. The suit only mandated they remove the %share from the MLS, but didn't preclude it from being shared elsewhere.
There's been a number of articles over the last year in WSJ/NYT discussing how realtors are violating the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

Personally, I'd like to see another lawsuit that bankrupts NAR and disassembles them, along with any brokerages that tries and operate like a cartel to the detriment of the market and their clients.
You mean like ticketmaster/live-nation?
 
Getting ass-hammered on taxes or interest rates if you do move.
Depends on where you move. We left NJ for Idaho, got twice the house we had previously with a simultaneous 75% reduction in property taxes. Lower income tax too, and when the state runs its' usual budget surplus residents get a check back for the overage. We've not been here long enough to receive one, but I recall Mom's being about $1600, with a nice note from the Governor's office explaining that tax dollars belong to the people, we collected more than we need, so here is your refund.

NJ never did that.
 
At least in the three states that I am familiar with (MN-MI-WI) there has never been a legal requirement to use a broker / real estate agent. Nor was there any law saying how much they must be paid. Certainly, there have always been industry standards. And some individuals have contractual obligations to other individuals and / or organizations. Outside urban areas most real property sales up here are person to person using an attorney. Those who do use real estate agents, tend to go for the 1-2% or flat fee to list a property on the MLS. But with the internet I think that has fallen off. Giving any four people $15,000 to show a $250,000 property is a bad joke when an attorney would charge $1,000 or $2,000 to do all the paperwork and filings.
Sitzer didn't cover the buyer or seller's necessity to deal with (or pay a particular rate) to a broker, it was the NAR's collusion to only offer specific fees (both rate and the buyers agent payments) by their members (Realtors).
 
They're a great example as well. But whereas they pick up $20 at a time from begrudging customers, realtors are collecting outsized $20000 paychecks.
100% true. The venue near monopoly hits 10K+ people at a time, though.

I think with both, all that would be needed would be to require them to open up the API's so that anyone could access the data w/o fee. Then it all becomes a commodity, and you can pick whomever you want that has the balance of service and rate you want. Kinda like the defacto standard we have now with hotels and airlines. I can book at Hilton or United, or I can go to one of the online services. Now I realize that the hotels and airlines might not love that, but I don't care and the world doesn't owe them happiness.
 
In the chemical industry collusion turned into actual jail time. Until that happens in the real-estate business, no person is held accountable.
 
The case unfortunately did little to remedy the steerage problem, which is still occurring unhindered. The suit only mandated they remove the %share from the MLS, but didn't preclude it from being shared elsewhere.
There's been a number of articles over the last year in WSJ/NYT discussing how realtors are violating the spirit of the law, if not the letter.

Personally, I'd like to see another lawsuit that bankrupts NAR and disassembles them, along with any brokerages that tries and operate like a cartel to the detriment of the market and their clients.
If you want to fall asleep, go back and read the case details. The prediction by the statisticians and economists are it will take years of a very strong sellers market, to give sellers the confidence to stop paying the buyers agency fee. Same for reducing the selling/listing fees.

Here is the downside, when the cost is shift occurs from the seller to the buyer. This will put pressure on the ability of buyers to accept price increases. e.g. That cost shift is NOT going to lower prices as many pundits speculated. It will slow the rate of increase in prices. Ultimately, it will squeeze out a lot of agents, potentially it might set the market up for more disruption. At which point, buyers and sellers might both be better off.

Tim
 
If you want to fall asleep, go back and read the case details. The prediction by the statisticians and economists are it will take years of a very strong sellers market, to give sellers the confidence to stop paying the buyers agency fee. Same for reducing the selling/listing fees.
Yeah. We had a thread on that a while back.
I read a bit on the issue (I'm a prospective seller), and you're spot on, even the class action attorney said the change will not be overnight.
Nonetheless, it was disheartening to see that almost immediately after the settlement we began seeing accepted behavior that violated the spirit of the law. Of course: "NAR is resolutely opposed to any attempt to circumvent the settlement". Right...

... when the cost is shift occurs from the seller to the buyer.
But there's really only one person paying for anything during the transaction: the buyer. Nobody else is showing up with any money...
The seller was only nominally paying the buyers agent, with money only temporarily passing through their hands at closing time on the way to the buyers agent.
In reality the buyer is paying for 100% of everything regardless of the commission split % or total agreed price.
 
But there's really only one person paying for anything during the transaction: the buyer. Nobody else is showing up with any money...
The seller was only nominally paying the buyers agent, with money only temporarily passing through their hands at closing time on the way to the buyers agent.
In reality the buyer is paying for 100% of everything regardless of the commission split % or total agreed price.

Yes and no. The seller has higher taxes (capital gains, if applicable) plus closing costs, and the buyer has a higher long term assessed value, affecting everyone's local property taxes.
Basically, the current model screws everyone except the RE agent.

Tim
 
While we're still unpacking, our experience so far has been the opposite. Moving between two ~3,500 sq ft houses, with a garage shop. Found very little broken. The spike for one of my German helmets (replica) was lost, somehow, but that might have gotten mixed in with the packing material that I discarded. Gotta fire up the 3-D printer.

We were totally lazy, we let the moving company pack everything up. Won't say I regretted it, but into the downside now. Boxes contain big clumps of packing paper...unwrap a piece, and you might find anything from a wall decoration to a ballpoint pen. We stuff the packing paper into tall paper leaf bags and leave them for the weekly recycling pickup.

Boxes? I list them on Facebook Marketplace, and they're usually gone in a couple of hours.

Federal law didn't let them move firearms, so I packed them up and drove them down myself, along with the various Quakers I bought/built. Used a golf bag hard-case container for the long guns and the swords. It'd already been adapted to carry swords.

Ron Wanttaja
I did exactly the same thing as you on our move last weekend Let them pack and move everything but garage and guns (and the chest freezer, which I moved FULL in a little uhaul trailer).

I didn't make any quakers though, as I married an irish gal, not a quaker, so didn't have to move any of them.
 
Here's the data: https://sherwood.news/personal-finance/americans-are-moving-half-the-rate-they-used-to-why/

tl;dr people are moving much, much less than they used to. Driving factors are that people are locked into lower interest rate loans, dual incomes make it harder to move away for opportunities, remote work.

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Note, however, that the chart begins at 1994. When I said "previous generations", I was thinking more about the 1900s through about the 1950s.
 
Note, however, that the chart begins at 1994. When I said "previous generations", I was thinking more about the 1900s through about the 1950s.
That would be during a period called "The Great Migration". And also the second half of the urbanization megatrend when the nation switched from being farms to cities.

I don't have a graph to show, but it seems impossibly unlikely that people moved less frequently during that period given those two trends being defined by tens of millions of people moving.
 
On the whole inheritance topic

Both for common interest as a good read and as a help guide on how to accomplish what you want

Consider reading Beyond the Grave by Jeffrey Condon
 
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