#*@%ing TFRs

sacbluesman

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I was planning to fly out to my buddy's wedding tomorrow. Lo and behold a 5nm TFR catches my destination airport starting yesterday. Really?!? Of all places to put one, its in BFE.

So before I started stomping my feet and acting like a child, I call up Oakland Center and ask about getting a clearance/squawk code since my airport is right on the very edge of the ring. Without any discussion, the answer I get is NO...I then stomped my feet :rolleyes2:
 
There's an event outside Columbus, OH tomorrow that I was thinking about maybe flying down to. No can do, thanks to a Biden TFR in place right over KCMH. By the time it expires, it will be afternoon. The trip probably wouldn't have been doable VFR anyway thanks to low level moisture from a storm system passing through tonight, but still... grrr. :mad:
 
I was planning to fly out to my buddy's wedding tomorrow. Lo and behold a 5nm TFR catches my destination airport starting yesterday. Really?!? Of all places to put one, its in BFE.

So before I started stomping my feet and acting like a child, I call up Oakland Center and ask about getting a clearance/squawk code since my airport is right on the very edge of the ring. Without any discussion, the answer I get is NO...I then stomped my feet :rolleyes2:

So where are you going specifically? There is an airshow TFR centered around Mather for.... The next two days.
 
R.I.P.

That's terrible.
 
I'm not seeing a 5nm tfr except the air show tfr and I do not see any airports other than Mather on the sectional.

The thing here is to call the air show air boss and tell him your story and he can easily give you a void time when thy are not using the airspace. You then call Oakland center and tell them about it instead of asking.

Do something don't whine.
 
Is that the cancelled airshow due to the pilot death during practice today? If it is, wonder if anyone will take the TFR down...
 
Is that the cancelled airshow due to the pilot death during practice today? If it is, wonder if anyone will take the TFR down...

Mather is the Capitol Airshow, so no. I don't think that is his destination, since Mather is only a 1/2 hour drive from his home drome in Davis.
 
My TFR is for F62...Its about 40nm west of Redding. Its for the fires up that way.

Oakland Center seemed very unwilling to oblige my request. Maybe it was just the person I spoke to :dunno:

Any of you guys have much experience getting a clearance through a TFR such as this?
 
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Any of you guys have much experience getting a clearance through a TFR such as this?

I got this everyone.....

1. Depart at night when there's no chance of anyone being around the airport.
2. Use minimal aircraft lighting.
3. Squawk standby while also flying low level to avoid radar detection until well outside TFR.
:yesnod:

In all seriousness, I wonder if the above could actually work or if any desperate pilots have tried something similar.
 
Look at Florida today and tomorrow, Obama has all of central Florida tied up.
 
I have noticed that some of those fire TFRs show active on ForeFlight and the AOPA site, but ATC said it wasn't, when I was getting flight following. Also, if they won't let you in, when you are up there, you can use Redding as an alternate.
 
Read the fire tfr's description. If I remember correctly there is a local controlling agency that can let you in traffic permitting. They might be using the airport for fire ops which means it will be a very busy place.
 
I was planning to fly out to my buddy's wedding tomorrow. Lo and behold a 5nm TFR catches my destination airport starting yesterday. Really?!? Of all places to put one, its in BFE.

So before I started stomping my feet and acting like a child, I call up Oakland Center and ask about getting a clearance/squawk code since my airport is right on the very edge of the ring. Without any discussion, the answer I get is NO...I then stomped my feet :rolleyes2:

BFE is a long way outside Oakland Center's airspace. Maybe calling Lubbock Approach would work.
 
It sounds like you are out of luck:
NOTAM Number : FDC 2/0208 Download shapefiles Issue Date : September 06, 2012 at 0444 UTC Location : California near RED BLUFF VORTAC (RBL) Beginning Date and Time : Effective Immediately Ending Date and Time : Until further notice Reason for NOTAM : TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR FIRE FIGHTING AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS Type : Hazards Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A Pilots May Contact : OAKLAND (ZOA) Center, 510-745-3331 Jump To: Affected Areas
Operating Restrictions and Requirements
Other Information
 
It sounds like you are out of luck:
NOTAM Number : FDC 2/0208 Download shapefiles Issue Date : September 06, 2012 at 0444 UTC Location : California near RED BLUFF VORTAC (RBL) Beginning Date and Time : Effective Immediately Ending Date and Time : Until further notice Reason for NOTAM : TO PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT FOR FIRE FIGHTING AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS Type : Hazards Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A Pilots May Contact : OAKLAND (ZOA) Center, 510-745-3331 Jump To: Affected Areas
Operating Restrictions and Requirements
Other Information


I have Weaverville and Hyampom as my alternates right now. A 30mi drive into town shouldn't be too tough.
 
The tfrs permits ops with approval. Look on th map to see how close the fire is to the AP. if you can file ifr. They'll figure something out when you get there. Tfr's are to keep the news helos and th lookiloos out. If the AP is the destination they'll contact the fire boss and see if you can land.
 
I have Weaverville and Hyampom as my alternates right now. A 30mi drive into town shouldn't be too tough.

Why don't you simply call Oakand Center up and ask if you can get clearance to the airport?
 
Why don't you simply call Oakand Center up and ask if you can get clearance to the airport?

See post #3 where you quoted the OP as reporting the results of the call to Oakland...(insert dope slap emoticon here)
 
Buy a stealth airplane.

/thread
 
I have Weaverville and Hyampom as my alternates right now. A 30mi drive into town shouldn't be too tough.

Apparently I'm confused as to what your actual destination is. You mentioned BFE in post #1, but that's in Texas. :confused:
 
Richard. BFE = Bum F**k Egypt. Meaning out in the middle of nowhere. :D
 
My TFR is for F62...Its about 40nm west of Redding. Its for the fires up that way.

Oakland Center seemed very unwilling to oblige my request. Maybe it was just the person I spoke to :dunno:

Any of you guys have much experience getting a clearance through a TFR such as this?

Fire Fighting TFRs are based on14 CFR Part 91.37(a)(2). Assuming you could make it in VFR, the rules allow you do enter the airspace in order to arrive/depart at an airport within the TFR. It doesn't require a clearance; just notification.


§ 91.137 Temporary flight restrictions in the vicinity of disaster/hazard areas.

(a) The Administrator will issue a Notice to Airmen (NOTAM) designating an area within which temporary flight restrictions apply and specifying the hazard or condition requiring their imposition, whenever he determines it is necessary in order to—

(1) Protect persons and property on the surface or in the air from a hazard associated with an incident on the surface;

(2) Provide a safe environment for the operation of disaster relief aircraft; or

(3) Prevent an unsafe congestion of sightseeing and other aircraft above an incident or event which may generate a high degree of public interest.

The Notice to Airmen will specify the hazard or condition that requires the imposition of temporary flight restrictions.

(b) When a NOTAM has been issued under paragraph (a)(1) of this section, no person may operate an aircraft within the designated area unless that aircraft is participating in the hazard relief activities and is being operated under the direction of the official in charge of on scene emergency response activities.

(c) When a NOTAM has been issued under paragraph (a)(2) of this section, no person may operate an aircraft within the designated area unless at least one of the following conditions are met:

(1) The aircraft is participating in hazard relief activities and is being operated under the direction of the official in charge of on scene emergency response activities.

(2) The aircraft is carrying law enforcement officials.

(3) The aircraft is operating under the ATC approved IFR flight plan.

(4) The operation is conducted directly to or from an airport within the area, or is necessitated by the impracticability of VFR flight above or around the area due to weather, or terrain; notification is given to the Flight Service Station (FSS) or ATC facility specified in the NOTAM to receive advisories concerning disaster relief aircraft operations; and the operation does not hamper or endanger relief activities and is not conducted for the purpose of observing the disaster.

(5) The aircraft is carrying properly accredited news representatives, and, prior to entering the area, a flight plan is filed with the appropriate FAA or ATC facility specified in the Notice to Airmen and the operation is conducted above the altitude used by the disaster relief aircraft, unless otherwise authorized by the official in charge of on scene emergency response activities.
 
Fire Fighting TFRs are based on14 CFR Part 91.37(a)(2). Assuming you could make it in VFR, the rules allow you do enter the airspace in order to arrive/depart at an airport within the TFR. It doesn't require a clearance; just notification.

Hmm, I wonder why Oakland told him no go, then.
 
Richard. BFE = Bum F**k Egypt. Meaning out in the middle of nowhere. :D

I have always used MOFN. middle of f'in nowhere. It's not a 3 character identifier or a 5 character intersection.

As in, it may not be the MOFN but you can see it from there
 
Basic difference of outlook on life. Permission vs. forgiveness.

There was a local radio personality whose slogan was "It's always easier to ask for forgiveness than permission." He's in prison now. :eek:
 
Isn't the latter British for the former?
 
Ok, OP, how was your trip, and where did you left and landed at?
 
Says one that thinks the "B" in "BFE" means "butt".

Anyway so what's your specific interest here? Are you affected by that TFR too? Or perhaps procedurally how to go about landing at an airport within a fire TFR?
 
If you want to use references to Andy Griffith show characters...use the correct names. Its OPIE. Not OP...

In case you're serious, OP = "original post" or "original poster."
 
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