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Discussion in 'Hangar Talk' started by Fearless Tower, Jan 26, 2015.
Apparently, it isn't a good idea to stockpile ammunition in a hangar in the Phoenix area...
What am I looking at? A blown out hangar section?
Yes. That overhead beam used to be straight. Some dude had a lot of ammo in his hangar at FFZ and it went cablooey. Damaged other airplanes in adjacent hangars in the process.
Well, good thing nobody was parked in front of it! Proof signs work!!
Hmmm, burning ammo goes "pop" and then nothing except the heat and gas which evolved along with the "pop". Something else was involved here...
So THAT's where all the .22LRs went!
You're probably right. Whatever was in there apparently sent projectiles/shrapnel into several adjacent hangars in the row damaging multiple aircraft.
I seriously doubt the ammo just ignited itself and they all went pop and it blew the hangar door.
I'd put my money on a whole bunch of gunpowder or something really explosive that was easily ignited.
It'd take a hell of a fire to just ignite loaded ammo...and that fire would have done a lot more damage.
Back in my younger days, at the farm party campfires, it was common practice for someone to throw a brick of .22LR in the fire (back when 22LR was cheap). They'd try to do it when nobody was looking then once the pops start people ran like hell and dove for cover. Those that knew the trick just turned their back to the fire to prevent the unlikely scenario something would hit them in the eye.
Looks like a couple 10# cans of nitro express got set off. saw a friend loose his house this way.
Agree with the "something really explosive" like a propane tank that cooked off or similar volatile liquid. Smokeless gun powder in consumer bulk quantities does nothing major. As Tom points out, black-powder is a different story...
On a side note, propane can be okay in a fire as long as a relief valve is working (seen it happen). If there is no relief valve then it's a different story and I have seen the results of that happening.
Now you know why many airports require all hangar tenants to carry liability insurance.
My money is on a BLIVE or an accelerant or both involved in that besides the ammo.
Insurance on the plane parked inside, yes.
I'm not required to carry liability insurance on anything else.
Ah rats. I read inappropriate use of a hanger and was expecting at least whips and chains. This is just an explosion.
That would be a BLEVE :wink2:
Officially the abbreviation for Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapor Explosion. AKA big leveling explosion vaporizing everything.
Often takes place in an IDLH atmosphere (Immediately Dangerous to Life and Health). Also known as I Don't Live Here.
Liability insurance does not cover your plane -- it covers everything else, including the other planes destroyed if you cause damage to them.
Here no, the port commission adds a fee to our rent each month for a group policy for the renters. it's like $6,00
Isn't that the same thing Ron said? Unless the $6 is optional.
Heh. Yeah. I just hang around firefighters and talk to them. I don't want to be one.