bstratt
Cleared for Takeoff
I was over reading the article on the AOPA board regarding the new IFR routes through Class B - anybody surprised O'Hare ain't even on the future list??
IFR Routes Through Class B
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bbchien
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What light aircraft in my turbojet space? "I don't see no steenken flivver!"
You can fuggedabout Chicago, (or STL) for that matter. They won't change until the leadership at C90 (Elgin, IL) changes, and that's not happening anytime soon.
You can fuggedabout Chicago, (or STL) for that matter. They won't change until the leadership at C90 (Elgin, IL) changes, and that's not happening anytime soon.
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wsuffa
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Well, I AM surprised that Cincinnati is on the list.
After my last trip (With a 40 mile detour) Approach told me that no-way, no-how for going through the Class B, even landing at a reliever within the 20-mile radius. The local folks cancel IFR, go over the top, and land under the shelf. Danger Will Robinson!
I thought the Cincy Class B was also managed by the Great Lakes Region????
After my last trip (With a 40 mile detour) Approach told me that no-way, no-how for going through the Class B, even landing at a reliever within the 20-mile radius. The local folks cancel IFR, go over the top, and land under the shelf. Danger Will Robinson!
I thought the Cincy Class B was also managed by the Great Lakes Region????
Bones
Pre-takeoff checklist
Class B is tough for everyone, especially when its busy. I'm not suprised about O'H. I know when I'm in the Lear in the B at CLT and its busy and I'm doing the speed limit in "Indian Country" I'm sooo busy looking for traffic its tough to run checks. But if everyone is on a route I guess that would help. What do you guys think is the reason?
Dave Siciliano
Final Approach
Eric Davis said:
Dallas seems to work with us better than some other Class B areas!! Departed yesterday for Palm Springs and they put me right over DFW at 4,000 on the was west. Several times I've called from east or west and asked for clearance through the B and received it; of course, at times they're just too busy and I have to fly at least part way around. We meet with the TRACON, tower, and Approach folks at least every year or two and the relationship is very positive.
Sorry it's more of a problem in other areas.
Best,
Dave S
gismo
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wsuffa said:Well, I AM surprised that Cincinnati is on the list.
After my last trip (With a 40 mile detour) Approach told me that no-way, no-how for going through the Class B, even landing at a reliever within the 20-mile radius. The local folks cancel IFR, go over the top, and land under the shelf. Danger Will Robinson!
I thought the Cincy Class B was also managed by the Great Lakes Region????
A predefined IFR route through the Class B should make such routings easier on the controllers than a bunch of unspecified ones. I think it's a great idea.
wsuffa
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lancefisher said:
I agree. However, you have to make sure the approach supes will agree. Dick Madding told me that the Cincy Supe had established a rule: no overflights above the airport.
wsuffa
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SCCutler said:
Yep. Dallas is probably the best Class Bravo I've been in. The Cincy controllers were a bit snotty to me when I asked how I might get a better clearance next time. I replied by asking why Dallas did a much better job even though it had more airports.....