"If I said 'VFR not recommended,' would you want to hear the rest of the brief?"

This makes no sense to me. Main reason I call FSS is to cover my butt, so that if magic fog comes in and I'm stuck above it and ATC has to talk me down, I can say...here's my call with my tail etc. If you think the FAA is going to look as kindly at your I looked at DUATs...I think you're nuts, they'll say something about how you should have calculated out the temp/dew point spread and failed to take into account cooling weather conditions that, and "hey here's your knowledge test and you knew about this or that condition."

In other words the main reason anyone calls FSS is to cover their own butt, like the time called FSS and no TFR was present but then....pop firefighting TFR, guess what was a very very good feeling.... Having called FSS. Don't get me wrong flight following was with us too, so there was multiple layers... But in flying it's always best to measure twice cut once... Since there's no guarantee you get to cut twice.

So if "all" FSS does is cover butts. Don't begrudge them that... That's their job!

I'll offer a different opinion on this.

It's not the FAA you need to worry about. As long as you got a weather brief (duats or whatever) you are covered.

The real problem is the infestation of trial lawyers. The FSS contractor and the government are prime targets for these blood suckers. Let a briefer not mention "VFR not recommended" before or after a brief (these are recorded) and let Joe Pilot go into deteriorating weather and splatter himself on a hill side, and it's payday for Willy, Screwum and Howe law firm.

American society is plagued with CYA thanks to the TLA.
 
But yet, if there is any mention of doing away with the FSS the howls and screams will begin...............:rolleyes:

Probably because only the complainers are posting.

If use FSS and like them, they are one more data point in the equation.

And if nothing else, my voice is recorded in the conversation where they tell me "no TFRs".
 
In my experience, the handful of times I've ever called them, they've said "VFR not recommended" when it's been CAVU.

I've found briefers ONLY good for two things: 1) Covering their asses and 2) Wasting my time.

Yes, I'll go on the record and say it: They're worthless IMHO.

Briefers do one thing way better than I, scan the NOTAMS for those affecting my flight. There's more to a briefing than weather.
 
This makes no sense to me. Main reason I call FSS is to cover my butt, so that if magic fog comes in and I'm stuck above it and ATC has to talk me down, I can say...here's my call with my tail etc. If you think the FAA is going to look as kindly at your I looked at DUATs...I think you're nuts, they'll say something about how you should have calculated out the temp/dew point spread and failed to take into account cooling weather conditions that, and "hey here's your knowledge test and you knew about this or that condition."

In other words the main reason anyone calls FSS is to cover their own butt, like the time called FSS and no TFR was present but then....pop firefighting TFR, guess what was a very very good feeling.... Having called FSS. Don't get me wrong flight following was with us too, so there was multiple layers... But in flying it's always best to measure twice cut once... Since there's no guarantee you get to cut twice.

So if "all" FSS does is cover butts. Don't begrudge them that... That's their job!


We had a manager from the SLC center come up here a few years back and give a seminar...

I asked a simple question. I am VFR and on Flight Following and a pop up TFR shows up. ( We get that alot in Wyoming for gas releases)..

His answer was a flat out . NO, ATC will not pass along pop up TFR's to VFR FF traffic...:redface::redface::redface:
 
We had a manager from the SLC center come up here a few years back and give a seminar...

I asked a simple question. I am VFR and on Flight Following and a pop up TFR shows up. ( We get that alot in Wyoming for gas releases)..

His answer was a flat out . NO, ATC will not pass along pop up TFR's to VFR FF traffic...:redface::redface::redface:

My experience has been pretty different. I suspect it's one of those ATC will not 'assume responsibility' for notifying of TFRs, but on flight following to Placerville I was notified of a firefighting TFR that I wasn't particularly close to, and even on just my last flight, it was pretty much obvious that I wasn't making a straight line due to Restricted Airspace on FF they still told me when the airspace was active; not the same thing as a TFR, but it was nice for them to take the initiative and letting me know.

Even then, if you called 30 mins before flight and they have a record of it, and a pop up TFR develops my understanding is that's pretty solid defense in any sort of certificate issue. I suppose the same could be said for using DUATs, but... as mentioned earlier by someone else I appreciate the interpretation of NOTAMs and TFRs that a briefing provides.
 
Well my experience with Miami briefers has been good, and accurate. I file night before wx outlook and wx brief before I lift off. I have been advised when I open my flight plan that VFR not recommended, usually I am in the air by then, I just thanked them and called flight watch with a weather update for my departing airport, which was different that advisories,, usually due to fog.

Bahamas weather is a crap shoot, the Bahamas airports do not report on a schedule and are seldom accurate. Miami can only give me what radar shows, better than Bahamas forecast.

I can't bad mouth the Miami flight service, they have been good for me,,,,, just saying..
 
My DPE for my instrument checkride suggested (after my ride) that I call for a brief for every flight, IFR or VFR, in order to have a record primarily for TFRs.

I haven't really done that, though. I just rely on ForeFlight, for what it's worth.

Yep...did that depend on FF thing, except I was using both my Garmin 796 with XM weather/TFR's and Garmin Pilot app on my iPad mini with GDL39-3D. They displayed NOTHING and I flew right into a stadium TFR. Yep...NASA report, hand-wringing, and some groveling.

Gene
 
I like the 1800wxbrief website. Same thing the briefer sees, except I get to chose the information I want to read. It also keeps the same records so I can show I actually got a briefing. I can file the flight plan as well, and get the email to activate and close it with a click on my ipad.

I typically hit that website first. Then check the local METARs and those along the route. Finally, i'll check foreflight as well.
 
In my experience the "VFR not recommended" comment comes at the end of the briefing.

Not in my experience....usually it come right at the point where it makes a difference, like: "ceiling reported at around 1800', so VFR is not recommended."
 
Not in my experience....usually it come right at the point where it makes a difference, like: "ceiling reported at around 1800', so VFR is not recommended."

I usually get it right after I state "hopefully flying VFR, looking for a brief".:lol: Once they say it, I say "talk to me". Half the time I'll end up filing as a back up, maybe 10% of the time I'll use it. Regardless, I still call, been a long time since I sat in an FSS and had their coffee though. There are still actually a few pretty knowledgeable briefers around. Normally I have my weather covered before I call and make my phone brief last moment to get any changes in TFRs or weather.
 
Personally, I use the Lockheed Martin weather site. https://www.1800wxbrief.com/Website/ I think the format of the online brief is easy to follow and I like the high res graphics. Plus, it's an official briefing source.

Too much hassle:

The password must meet the following criteria:

Must be between 8 to 32 alphanumeric characters.
Must contain at least three of four of the following types of characters:
Uppercase letters, Lowercase letters, Numbers, Special characters.
Cannot be the same as your current password.
Your most recent 12 passwords cannot be reused.


Three incorrect login attempts will lock your account.
Passwords must be changed every 365 days.
 
Too much hassle:

The password must meet the following criteria:

Must be between 8 to 32 alphanumeric characters.
Must contain at least three of four of the following types of characters:
Uppercase letters, Lowercase letters, Numbers, Special characters.
Cannot be the same as your current password.
Your most recent 12 passwords cannot be reused.

Three incorrect login attempts will lock your account.
Passwords must be changed every 365 days.

That's a hassle? Even if you don't use a password manager, you can choose something easy to remember such as Aviation2015 (which you can change next year to Aviation2016).
 
Too much hassle:

The password must meet the following criteria:

Must be between 8 to 32 alphanumeric characters.
Must contain at least three of four of the following types of characters:
Uppercase letters, Lowercase letters, Numbers, Special characters.
Cannot be the same as your current password.
Your most recent 12 passwords cannot be reused.


Three incorrect login attempts will lock your account.
Passwords must be changed every 365 days.

That reminds me of this email joke of a person trying to create a password:

Please create a Password...

-cabbage

Sorry the password must be more than 8 characters...

-boiled cabbage

Sorry the password must contain 1 numerical character...

-1 boiled cabbage

Sorry the password cannot have blank spaces...

-50F$@%boiledcabbages

Sorry the password must contain at least one upper case character...

-50****INGboiledcabbages

Sorry the password cannot use more than one upper case character consecutively...

-50F$@%ShovedUpyourArseIfYouDon'tGiveMeAccessImmediately...

Sorry the password cannot contain punctuation...

-NowIamGettingReally****edOff50F$@%BoiledCabbagesShovedUpYourArseIfYouDontGiveMeAccessImmediately

Sorry that password is already in use....... :mad2:
 
That's a hassle? Even if you don't use a password manager, you can choose something easy to remember such as Aviation2015 (which you can change next year to Aviation2016).

1. It's not just one password. There are many sites that have password rules like this. Oops, there goes the easy to remember part.

2. The password that I'm likely to remember is one that I use for non security-critical purposes, but it doesn't fit their rules.

3. They require the password to be changed every year. Oops, there goes the easy to remember part again.

4. It's an excessive level of security for the type of flying I do.

5. As for using a password manager, it's not worth my time to choose and learn a new piece of software when all I want to do is see if I like their user interface. (The same issue also applies to spending the time to come up with a password that will be easy to remember and fits their rules.)
 
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Jesus, how did I not know about that site?! THANK YOU!! It's great!:)

You're welcome! Yeah, most pilots I've talked to have never heard of it much less used it.

Too much hassle:

The password must meet the following criteria:

Must be between 8 to 32 alphanumeric characters.
Must contain at least three of four of the following types of characters:
Uppercase letters, Lowercase letters, Numbers, Special characters.
Cannot be the same as your current password.
Your most recent 12 passwords cannot be reused.


Three incorrect login attempts will lock your account.
Passwords must be changed every 365 days.

Reminds me of when I used to work at Vanderbilt Medical Center. They had the same password requirements and it drove everybody crazy! Believe me though when I say that the website is worth the hassle of the long passwords.
 
1. It's not just one password. There are many sites that have password rules like this. Oops, there goes the easy to remember part.

2. The password that I'm likely to remember is one that I use for non security-critical purposes, but it doesn't fit their rules.

If you throw in a special character (Aviation2015!), you can devise a password that's compatible with the rules of the vast majority of sites, and thus suitable for applications whose security you don't care about.

Also, can't you tell your browser to remember (low-security) sites' passwords for you so you don't have to re-enter them? My browser does that for me across platforms, so all I need is the password to log in to the platform (PC or smartphone).

3. They require the password to be changed every year. Oops, there goes the easy to remember part again.

No, I already addressed that. Next year it becomes "Aviation2016!".

4. It's an excessive level of security for the type of flying I do.

5. As for using a password manager, it's not worth my time to choose and learn a new piece of software when all I want to do is see if I like their user interface. (The same issue also applies to spending the time to come up with a password that will be easy to remember and fits their rules.)

If you don't already need to use a password manager, then I suppose it would indeed be a lot of effort just for one site. I myself long ago reached the point where I could not have the unique and unrelated passwords needed for high-security sites without using a manager.

If you merely want to see if you "like their user interface", the password is no issue at all. Just use "Aviation2015!" itself while you explore the site. If you decide you like the site, then change the password (or don't).

In any event, I can't imagine that the inconvenience of dealing with the site's password outweighs the convenience of the planning, briefing, and filing services they offer (unless you use a different service that does all that for you, in which case, great).
 
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That's more or less what I do. I have 3 levels of passwords. A throw away that I dont care who gets... one that is a little more secure, and one that nobody will ever get.

I see the point about the password being excessive, but you cant beat the benefits of using the system.

Then again, you can give someone the greatest tool around and they'll find a reason to complain
 
I miss those days.......:sad::sad:,,

You walk in, the FSS specialist meets you at the counter, the teletype machine clicking in the background......

I wanna be young again..:redface:


I think the real information gleaned in many of those visits was unspoken. You could see the pain in the briefer's eyes if you were persisting down an unwise path.

Even back then someone paying attention or who had a VCR could be ahead of the game by recording "AM Weather" on PBS every morning.

By the time I talk to a briefer I'm looking for them to surprise me with something I missed. "VFR Not Recommended" is McWeather from the squawk box. What I'm seeking is a hint that there's a big goof somewhere in my though process or a trend I didn't spot.

And even then, if the weather was iffy in the two decades of flying no VFR only on long flights that I did, I had decided if there was an escape route and/or a particular stopping point where landing to take a look at the updates was prudent.

Often the briefer is required to discuss the ENTIRE possible route of flight when you already know it might make sense to land at X and take another look at the maps. But they can't know that if your plan is for the whole route.

Sometimes when it sounded like they had serious reservations, I'd simply share the "plan" and they'd change attitude right away into a person seeing if THAT new plan was relatively sane. I've also never run into a briefer who wasn't on your side and taking the weather as seriously as you are.

I took the 182 up in the light scattered rain the other day. People flying VFR in precip around here is so rare that the KAPA tower even piped up after my takeoff clearance to tell me they saw a rain shower to the east along my intended route of flight on radar, "showing as low level". I just said thanks and that we could see it.

I wanted to wash a million bugs off the airplane that my co-owner killed and that shower looked perfect to accomplish that in.

And it was.

Most of the bugs came off, the dirt from the hangar, and the windshield was squeaky clean.

But our controllers here don't see folks aiming for light rainshowers that you can see through easily, all that much. Usually our stuff is so convective that you're going to get your ass kicked if you aim for it. This stuff was stratus type isolated rainshowers with plenty of open sky all around.

We also have piles of trainees here.

The old fart in the 182 looking for a bath for the airplane, isn't the norm.

The norm at FSS is if there's any chance in the forecast area for non-VFR weather, the phrase is stated. Like someone else said, it's pretty much a throwaway phrase these days when you can't see the whites of their eyes or the worry in their face as they try to convey that you're about to do something really really stupid.

I've had long chats with briefers who actually apologized for having to use the phrase.

Sometimes it's just required, and you still want someone to look over something sketchy in the weather info you've already gathered.
 
I think the real information gleaned in many of those visits was unspoken. You could see the pain in the briefer's eyes if you were persisting down an unwise path.

Even back then someone paying attention or who had a VCR could be ahead of the game by recording "AM Weather" on PBS every morning.

By the time I talk to a briefer I'm looking for them to surprise me with something I missed. "VFR Not Recommended" is McWeather from the squawk box. What I'm seeking is a hint that there's a big goof somewhere in my though process or a trend I didn't spot.

And even then, if the weather was iffy in the two decades of flying no VFR only on long flights that I did, I had decided if there was an escape route and/or a particular stopping point where landing to take a look at the updates was prudent.

Often the briefer is required to discuss the ENTIRE possible route of flight when you already know it might make sense to land at X and take another look at the maps. But they can't know that if your plan is for the whole route.

Sometimes when it sounded like they had serious reservations, I'd simply share the "plan" and they'd change attitude right away into a person seeing if THAT new plan was relatively sane. I've also never run into a briefer who wasn't on your side and taking the weather as seriously as you are.

I took the 182 up in the light scattered rain the other day. People flying VFR in precip around here is so rare that the KAPA tower even piped up after my takeoff clearance to tell me they saw a rain shower to the east along my intended route of flight on radar, "showing as low level". I just said thanks and that we could see it.

I wanted to wash a million bugs off the airplane that my co-owner killed and that shower looked perfect to accomplish that in.

And it was.

Most of the bugs came off, the dirt from the hangar, and the windshield was squeaky clean.

But our controllers here don't see folks aiming for light rainshowers that you can see through easily, all that much. Usually our stuff is so convective that you're going to get your ass kicked if you aim for it. This stuff was stratus type isolated rainshowers with plenty of open sky all around.

We also have piles of trainees here.

The old fart in the 182 looking for a bath for the airplane, isn't the norm.

The norm at FSS is if there's any chance in the forecast area for non-VFR weather, the phrase is stated. Like someone else said, it's pretty much a throwaway phrase these days when you can't see the whites of their eyes or the worry in their face as they try to convey that you're about to do something really really stupid.

I've had long chats with briefers who actually apologized for having to use the phrase.

Sometimes it's just required, and you still want someone to look over something sketchy in the weather info you've already gathered.

Agreed on the "unspoken" look......


Also, I religiously donated 100 bucks each year to PBS . Mainly for AM weather , Cosmos and to a lesser extent Frontline....

The day they took AM weather off the air was the VERY last day I sent them a check...:mad:..

And ,every time it rains around here I am up in the air for a free . spotfree plane wash...... The tower guys can practically set their watches for my departure into the sky....;);)
 
Too much hassle:

The password must meet the following criteria:

Must be between 8 to 32 alphanumeric characters.
Must contain at least three of four of the following types of characters:
Uppercase letters, Lowercase letters, Numbers, Special characters.
Cannot be the same as your current password.
Your most recent 12 passwords cannot be reused.


Three incorrect login attempts will lock your account.
Passwords must be changed every 365 days.

That's a standard government policy, and I'm VERY surprised you don't have to do that for eServices. I think that will change if it ever gets audited by DCAA or the DoD IG.
 
5. As for using a password manager, it's not worth my time to choose and learn a new piece of software when all I want to do is see if I like their user interface. (The same issue also applies to spending the time to come up with a password that will be easy to remember and fits their rules.)

If you want, I'll show it to you.

It is a MUCH nicer interface than DUAT(S), even the CSC version.
 
That's more or less what I do. I have 3 levels of passwords. A throw away that I dont care who gets... one that is a little more secure, and one that nobody will ever get.

I see the point about the password being excessive, but you cant beat the benefits of using the system.

Then again, you can give someone the greatest tool around and they'll find a reason to complain
I totally sympathize with the guy who says it's too much hassle. I have grown to absolutely despise (and simply never use) websites that require military grade passwords to access their information. Websites that require a change every "x" months are automatically deleted.

IMHO, unless you're storing my checking account or credit card numbers, you don't need to make ridiculous demands of your users.
 
I agree on the basic premise. I once got into an argument with my mortgage company over the payment system password requirements. Its a very basic system that only allows you to pay the bill. I just argued "Are they going to hack in and pay my bill a few days early for me?"

It's a pain but something like this has enough value that its worth remembering "PASSword123" and one year later when it says to change it, making it "PASSword1234" The next year making it "PASSword123", etc
 
If you merely want to see if you "like their user interface", the password is no issue at all. Just use "Aviation2015!" itself while you explore the site. If you decide you like the site, then change the password (or don't).

I had a similar thought after I wrote my post. If I don't yet know whether it's a site that I'm going to want to visit again, then it doesn't matter if I don't remember the password. If at same point I decide to continue using the site, it's a simple matter to get a password reset email sent to me. (And my email account is one where I have taken the trouble to create a unique non-trivial password that I remember.)

By the way, I discovered that I was already registered, but had forgotten my password.

One thing I was definitely NOT impressed by was the number of times the site crashed yesterday during my attempts to register/log on.
 
If you want, I'll show it to you.

It is a MUCH nicer interface than DUAT(S), even the CSC version.

I'm still using the classic version of DUAT.com, and will probably continue doing so until they pull the plug. :D (I supplement it with skyvector.com, weather.com, aviationweather.gov, and Web cams.) Sometime between now and the July 15th cut-off date, I'll have to look at the various offerings that are available and see which works best for me.
 
One thing I was definitely NOT impressed by was the number of times the site crashed yesterday during my attempts to register/log on.

I don't blame you for being unimpressed by that! Be assured, though, that that's unusual. I've found the site to be quite reliable.

One of my favorite LMFS features is its one-click option to open or close a VFR flight plan. I can usually do that from my phone just before takeoff or just after landing, which simplifies things considerably.
 
Who calls weather breifers for VFR flight besides students?

I do absolutely ever time. No internet at my hanger, and I sure as hell can't see weather depictions on my damn phone. It is a rare thing that the briefer tells me anything I don't already know, but anything happens and my six isn't in a sling, especially vis-a-vis those pesky TFRs.

In the days when there was centers all over the country they were really helpful. They could tell you about local conditions and how things were likely to go. Now they just read the same stuff I can read myself. But I have to have someone jot down my tail number to prove to the FAA that I did indeed brief myself for the wx beyond sticking my ugly bald head out the window.
 
Who calls weather breifers for VFR flight besides students?

I do. I run Duat and Foreflight prior to the big XC's. The FSS brief is mainly for any last second TFR's enroute and second opinion on weather occasionally. By making that call, and doing DUAT I think you've pretty well covered the, "all info. pertinent to flight" requirement in case of an issue.

The Duat.com sight allows you to PUSH a briefing to your e-mail (phone) at the time set by you. I do this as well so that I have a COMPLETE list of Notams in flight, and if I change destination along my route, it'll be there (I don't file direct, I list airport to airport routes).

I also call a PIREP into flightwatch on every XC, but I guess I must be one of the few.
 
Briefers do one thing way better than I, scan the NOTAMS for those affecting my flight. There's more to a briefing than weather.

Glad to see you back, Henning.

Briefers have always just read me the notams verbatim... I suppose it's nice for them to translate them.


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That's a standard government policy, and I'm VERY surprised you don't have to do that for eServices. I think that will change if it ever gets audited by DCAA or the DoD IG.


Do they still have the telnet interface? LOL. Unencrypted and who cares what the password is, just don't make it anything you use for anything else!

All the password is doing is giving them a non-reputable way to track number of bodies served for the always looming and inevitable contract renegotiations and re-bids. In return you also get (in theory) evidence that you checked.
 
Oh and as far as passwords go, save them in a good password crypt. There's plenty out there.

On my Macs and Windows machines, Command-\ logs me into nearly everything I log into these days after unlocking 1Password.

There's only a very few sites I commit to memory or don't work with it. (And the password can still be stored in it, it's a single click to copy it to the clipboard.)

There's over twenty passwords just for stuff at the office as the "IT guy" that I have to use nearly daily. There are roughly one hundred stored in the encrypted file.

No way would I bother memorizing them and I'm not dumb enough to make the Domain Admin password match the local Admin password on Windows servers nor make my personal machines the same logins as my business machines, etc.
 
Oh and as far as passwords go, save them in a good password crypt. There's plenty out there.

On my Macs and Windows machines, Command-\ logs me into nearly everything I log into these days after unlocking 1Password.

There's only a very few sites I commit to memory or don't work with it. (And the password can still be stored in it, it's a single click to copy it to the clipboard.)

There's over twenty passwords just for stuff at the office as the "IT guy" that I have to use nearly daily. There are roughly one hundred stored in the encrypted file.

No way would I bother memorizing them and I'm not dumb enough to make the Domain Admin password match the local Admin password on Windows servers nor make my personal machines the same logins as my business machines, etc.
Lastpass is a great multiplatform vault I use for my personal vault. I use it for mobile, as well. Client-side decrypt, and I use yubikey for two factor. Some of work goes in to a multiuser keepass database (hopefully soon to move to Pleasant for better audit trails). There are many password vault solutions that work great nowadays, fortunately!
 
Oh and as far as passwords go, save them in a good password crypt. There's plenty out there.

On my Macs and Windows machines, Command-\ logs me into nearly everything I log into these days after unlocking 1Password.

There's only a very few sites I commit to memory or don't work with it. (And the password can still be stored in it, it's a single click to copy it to the clipboard.)

There's over twenty passwords just for stuff at the office as the "IT guy" that I have to use nearly daily. There are roughly one hundred stored in the encrypted file.

No way would I bother memorizing them and I'm not dumb enough to make the Domain Admin password match the local Admin password on Windows servers nor make my personal machines the same logins as my business machines, etc.

For someone so security aware I'm surprised you have your full name and N number on a public forum.
 
For someone so security aware I'm surprised you have your full name and N number on a public forum.


Security aware? My day job has a general function to not allow people to log in or break into publicly accessible computers and do bad things, but I don't care if you know where I live.

Come on over. Want a beer?

As far as the password vaults go, they're a security problem waiting to happen, not good security. Encryption always gets cracked eventually. Ask the Germans.

I like their convenience, not their security.

Passwords are just about the dumbest way to secure anything. People use phrases and words they'll remember and modify them slightly trying to be "tricky" replacing letters with numbers and what not. There's lots of tools out there that are free that'll brute force just about any password given enough time. Even with those tricks. In fact they try those tricks first.

I asked a co-worker to CHANGE her local admin password on a Mac so I could take it to have work done on it a few weeks ago. She stuck a sticky note to the back with her CURRENT password instead. LOL. It was her kids name and birthdate and one special character. (Ooh. Big surprise there.)

Rotating keys on key fobs have had security problems too. They're not immune. RSA had a pretty bad physical breach a while back, throwing a large number of those gadgets into question.

Biometrics sometimes work well. Most of the cheap fingerprint readers are easily to defeat with a little latex and a good fingerprint.

Security conscious? Maybe. More like an interest that also helps with the job. Jesse has it harder at his job. He has to be audited by a massive set of rules for credit card handling that the credit card companies themselves don't even meet. PCI. Other stuff (including DoD) is worse. Lots of paperwork and lots of time. Takes lots of bodies just to do the paperwork. Let alone actually secure things. In a former life some telecom DoE stuff was "entertaining" to work on. As were telecoms in general.

Both Rocky Flats and Savannah River Site were a complete waste of a day if you needed to go swap a board out that had failed. At least SRS had an on site Verizon guy who'd do it for us and we could ship to him. He was always annoyed by the 18 year old Marines with M-16s locking him in his office (or the cold switch room) during lockdown drills. Fun guy. I never got the joy of being there when a drill or live event started but my boss got the pleasure of sitting in the conference room where the blinds automatically closed so he couldn't see the NOC for a number of hours one day. His escort told him to stay put after shooing him in there as he was trying to leave for the day and the alert started. Apparently someone misplaced some nuclear material. Happened with surprising regularity back then. Haha.

A few of the data centers I helped build had man traps. Ha. Those were fun to mess with claustrophobic people in if you were the one pushing the open door button. And of course when I was a Sheriff's dispatch intern, we had the Sally port and other stuff.

Even those all had ways to defeat them given enough time and effort and a little knowledge.

One auditor wanted to know how many minutes the coverings we had added to a series of slit windows in a data center would stand up to pounding with a hammer from outside and how we'd know if these slit windows were breached. We had to send a sample to a lab and the results were about 25 minutes. Video cameras and other systems handled the breach if someone was determined enough to climb up high on a ladder and beat on them. Hell, just kicking the ladder out from under them would have been effective as far as security goes. The backlash on the injuries and liability claim would have been kinda rough though. Ha.

Our head of Security always said the most danger to any data center that was unmanned was a jerk with access and a supersoaker under his coat. Especially if filled with something nasty. Take about three to six minutes to completely destroy the power system and drop the site. With a few more tools it wouldn't be coming back online for a few days.

Anyway back to the online stuff. Do I care about what you or anyone else can learn about me online? Nope. Not really.

Everyone here is accessible in a couple of public FAA databases and some of us have other hobbies that government exposes our personal info in also. Attempting to be incognito while having had a public podcast or other media online, even in the past, is also nearly impossible.

By the way, just for the record, the N-number isn't my house. It's a co-ownership.

We also have two photographers and all their photographer friends in our merry band of people loosely associated with the airplane so the N-number is all over the Internet.

I wouldn't mess with the guy who has the address on the registration though, he has more interesting friends than I do. But I'll leave it at that. He also likes stuff chambered in .308 if you want to buy him ammo for Christmas. But he prefers shotgun shells and .22 for plinking.

All I was offering up for the person who hated passwords was that there's lots of password vault tools that integrate right into browsers and even mobile devices these days. You just store the stuff in them and use a single password to open the vault and a hot key combination to send the username and password to a website.

They'll even let you set a wildly random password that you'll never remember yourself and you can carry the vault around on multiple devices so you're never "locked out". They're cheap and work well. They'll also be breached by some dumb software bug eventually. They always are sooner or later.

Nowadays my biggest security concern is some idiot with a backhoe digging up my fiber optics. I don't miss handing my SSN for security checks to random telecom
Workers at AT&T, Verizon, Global Crossing and others annually. Always thought that was pretty stupid of them to ask for but it was that or quit...

GTE wanted it too when I worked on a project under their FAA contract. But it was fun to walk next door to the lab we were testing some gear in at the Chantilly office, er, complex, and meet the DUATS help desk folks. The GTE engineer knew I was a pilot and asked if I had ever used it. Then he surprised me after lunch and took me into the tiny little call center.

During the TWA 800 thing my wife got annoyed with me looking to see if I could catch a glimpse of our gear or the door leading to it behind the big FAA conference room they did the briefings and stuff from. Behind the camera was a spartan room with operations folks who had the touch screen we designed that handled the conference calls and behind that tiny door to the left behind the presentation wall was a little switch room I spent a cold weekend in, upgrading the system.

The opulent look of the FAA conference room was a stark contrast to the rest of the old green painted concrete government standard issue building. There was an 11 x 14 or bigger of that idiot Federico Pena hanging at the end of the long ball outside the conference room. I hear he's doing well managing the family money nowadays after his brother sold much of the land that DIA sits on, to the city of Denver. The guy who had a temper and tood people never to call him anything but "Fred" until he ran for mayor of Denver and needed the Hispanic vote. Dude was a total sleaze. Perfect politician. Ran the city so broke that he had to try using trash trucks to pack down snow because he couldn't buy new snowplows. Haha. Amazing.

Fun times. Dumb kid with a field engineering business card who knew not to **** the customers off and just fix crap. Now I do the same and manage the IT "department" for a little company who's building sits right smack in the middle of what used to be the far north end of 35R at Stapleton. Funny how that worked out. One of my first college jobs was throwing bags for Continental on the ramp there so I could afford to rent Skyhawks and pay the CFI on days off.

"It's been a long strange trip." ;)
 
Unencrypted and who cares what the password is, just don't make it anything you use for anything else!

All the password is doing is giving them a non-repu[di]able way to track number of bodies served for the always looming and inevitable contract renegotiations and re-bids. In return you also get (in theory) evidence that you checked.

Passwords also protect the users, and the search-and-rescue system, from malicious opening or closing of someone else's flight plan. (Why would anyone do that? Same reason people point lasers at cockpits.)
 
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